Questions for survivalists

apple0154 said:
If such a scenario comes to pass the world never will be he same, at least not in my lifetime. I'll take my chances in a group. Hiding in a basement, stressing at every sound, undergoing attacks, is not a life for me.
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so basically what you're saying is that in the course of survival, you'll side with the criminal gang to loot and kill over a few of you banding together with your own stores. liberalism went right out the window, didn't it?
 
apple0154 said:
If such a scenario comes to pass the world never will be he same, at least not in my lifetime. I'll take my chances in a group. Hiding in a basement, stressing at every sound, undergoing attacks, is not a life for me.
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They are full of fear.


Sad that Christians, who are supposed to be joyous livers, instead are consumed with worry, which God calls fruitless. Who'd want to live like they do?


"But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?"

Luke 12:20
 
\\(\(\/)/)// said:
They are full of fear.


Sad that Christians, who are supposed to be joyous livers, instead are consumed with worry, which God calls fruitless. Who'd want to live like they do?


"But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?"

Luke 12:20
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Still trying to portray us as "full of fear"? Repeating it doesn't prove anything.
 
“An anxious heart weighs a man down, but a kind word cheers him up” (Proverbs 12:25, NIV).
“I sought the LORD, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears” (Psalm 34:4).
“Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 4:6-7).
“Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you” (1 Peter 5:6-7) (Also see Psalm 55:22-23)
“Then Jesus said to his disciples: ‘Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?’” (Luke 12:22-26, NIV). (Also see Matthew 6:25-34)
“Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior and my God” (Psalm 42:5).
“Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil. This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones” (Proverbs 3:5-8).
“…the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will. And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:26-28).
“And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus” (Philippians 4:19).
“I can do everything through him who gives me strength” (Philippians 4:13).
The apostle Paul found his strength in God, He reminds us that, “I …have …been in prison …frequently, been flogged …severely, and been exposed to death again and again. Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. …I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. …Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn? If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. …I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. …[God] said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.’ Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong” (2 Corinthians 11:23-12:10).
“So we say with confidence, ‘The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?’” (Hebrews 13:6).
“…put your hope in the LORD both now and forevermore.” (Psalm 131:1)
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Also read: Psalm 139:1-23
The possible causes of anxiety and fear are many: Conflict, health problems, dangerous situations, death, unmet needs, spiritual problems, false beliefs, etc.
“According to the Bible, there is nothing wrong with realistically acknowledging and trying to deal with the identifiable problems of life. To ignore danger is fooling and wrong. But it is also wrong, as well as unhealthy, to be immobilized by excessive worry. Such worry must be committed to prayer to God, who can release us from paralyzing fear or anxiety, and free us to deal realistically with the needs and welfare both of others and of ourselves.” (Dr. Gary R. Collins, Christian Counseling, p. 66.)
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Some general, common sense suggestions for those weighed down with fear, anxiety or worry…

  • SIN IN YOUR LIFE - Sometimes fear and anxiety are the result of one’s own sin and guilt. If you have committed a sin or done anything evil, your fear and anxiety is probably God and your own conscience trying to get your attention. You need to repent, confess your sin, seek God’s forgiveness, and set it right.
  • SLEEP - Humans generally need 8 or 9 hours of sleep per day. Sleep deprivation can increase anxiety. Get enough rest. If you cannot sleep, you may need to seek God’s help and perhaps that of a physician.
  • BE MORE REALISTIC - Many people are worried and anxious about events that will never actually will happen to them. Relax. Focus on today. Take life one day at a time.
  • LISTEN to relaxing, soothing music. There is some great Christian music available that can help you focus on God and leave your fears and worries behind. It may also help to listen to good Christian speakers and teachers.
  • FUN - If at all possible, do something that you enjoy. It is good to get some recreation on a regular basis. Take a break. Get your mind off your fears and worries, and have some fun.
  • TALK to someone. Don’t hold all the anxiety inside. It can be a big relief to share your fears and worries with someone else—a friend, relative, pastor or counselor. If fear and anxiety is an ongoing problem in your life, schedule a regular time each week to talk with someone.
  • TAKE ACTION - If there is something practical and wise that you can do to alleviate the problem or avoid needless danger, take action. Don’t put it off. Procrastination will generally raise your anxiety level.
  • EXERCISE - Medical studies show that exercise can help lower anxiety. If you are healthy enough to exercise, try it. Regular brisk walks, running, swimming or other exercises can be a real stress reducer.
  • PROFESSIONAL HELP - There are various organizations which provide help for people with anxiety attacks, including the Midwest Center for Stress and Anxiety (stresscenter.com) which provides self-help. You can search for information and assistance on the Web using keywords such as: anxiety, panic attacks, agoraphobia. You should be able to find local help by consulting you pastor or physician.
“Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work” (2 Thes. 2:16-17).


http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/anxiety.html
 
25 Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?

26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin;

29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

31 Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’

32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.


Matthew 6:25-34
 
SmarterThanYou said:
so basically what you're saying is that in the course of survival, you'll side with the criminal gang to loot and kill over a few of you banding together with your own stores. liberalism went right out the window, didn't it?
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No, that IS what modern liberalism has become: complete lack of self responsibility, preying on those who actually produce under their pathetic definition of fairness. It does not matter whether they use government to tax the shit out of producers, or take advantage of the lawlessness that occurs in a disaster, they have the same philosophy: they are OWED a living just because they happen to exist. Those who provide, well, we're "selfish" if we keep that which we produce for ourselves, because they are OWED the products of others' labors just for existing.

And what are producers owed for existing? The privilege of supporting lazy assed "we don't have to because we can take it from those who do" liberals.

It is the most pathetically egocentric philosophy I have ever had the misfortune of running across. And Apple has it in spades, diamonds and clubs. But not hearts - only heartless shills can claim the right to take what is not theirs simply because someone has some and they do not.
 
apple0154 said:
It looks like we agree, for the most part. Having supplies for a week or two is a good idea. My point is if the government can not get help to the people within a couple of weeks then the situation is critical.
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Yes. And assholes like you who think it is your right to kill and steal from others who actually had the foresight to provide for themselves will be the ones making it even more critical.

apple0154 said:
...People will not become savage if they believe it's temporary. Once they realize there is no law, they will not have to answer for their crimes, people will group together and have a common enemy; those who refuse to share
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Yes, and again you claim the ones doing the raiding and killing are the good guys, while those who attempt to defend themselves and their families are the bad guys. You continue to demonstrate what a useless subhuman piece of shit you really are. You approach being an outright sociopath.

apple0154 said:
The survivalist who holds out for months will not be welcome back into the group, what remains of society, as they'll be known as people who do not share. Who would trust them? That's assuming they do survive and the mob does not destroy them. My bet is the mob will destroy them if for no other reason than hate/rage.
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Whatever. I wold pity the way you feel you have to justify murder and theft if it were not for the fact that the philosophy behind your drivel is so despicable as to be nauseating. But the reality is your precious murdering mobs are far more likely to end up as piles of rotting bodies long before survivalists have to worry about "joining" them. (as if we ever would join your sorry, subhuman asses). We would be far more likely to band together ourselves, LAWFULLY, (unlike the type you admire so much), and deal out the justice that bands of murdering thieves deserve. After all, getting rid of the lawless that gather in the absence of civilization is one of the first steps in putting civilization back together.
 
WinterBorn said:
"Hiding in a basement, stressing at every sound, undergoing attacks, is not a life for me."

You will need to seek shelter somewhere. With no law enforcement to speak of, there will be plenty of people who attack your group. Also, you include "undergoing attacks" in your dismal description. Isn't your group the one that will be attacking?
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I will have a far better chance of survival in a group than on my own.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
so basically what you're saying is that in the course of survival, you'll side with the criminal gang to loot and kill over a few of you banding together with your own stores. liberalism went right out the window, didn't it?
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I'm saying "share". Work together. Combine resources. Things the first settlers did.
 
Good Luck said:
Yes. And assholes like you who think it is your right to kill and steal from others who actually had the foresight to provide for themselves will be the ones making it even more critical.

Yes, and again you claim the ones doing the raiding and killing are the good guys, while those who attempt to defend themselves and their families are the bad guys. You continue to demonstrate what a useless subhuman piece of shit you really are. You approach being an outright sociopath.

Whatever. I wold pity the way you feel you have to justify murder and theft if it were not for the fact that the philosophy behind your drivel is so despicable as to be nauseating. But the reality is your precious murdering mobs are far more likely to end up as piles of rotting bodies long before survivalists have to worry about "joining" them. (as if we ever would join your sorry, subhuman asses). We would be far more likely to band together ourselves, LAWFULLY, (unlike the type you admire so much), and deal out the justice that bands of murdering thieves deserve. After all, getting rid of the lawless that gather in the absence of civilization is one of the first steps in putting civilization back together.
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As I've stated before history is replete with people "who actually had the foresight to provide for themselves". People like Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette who told the folks where to go when it came time to share. Of course, there are lessor figures throughout history and there are folks, today, who believe they had the foresight when they signed contracts that offered millions of dollars in bonuses while poor saps lost their retirement funds.

And then there's the "little businessman" who sold crap or did shoddy work and then declared bankruptcy and because of "LLC" and other laws written up by thieves were allowed to keep the ill-gotten gains which permitted them to "provide for themselves" while preventing or hampering others from doing so.

The single moms, the unemployed fathers, the teenagers who never had a chance to prepare, the elderly having had to depend on the disgusting pittance they received....just lazy bums who didn't have "the foresight to provide for themselves". (It's nobody's fault but Grandma's that she didn't cut back on her dog food consumption.)

History will keep repeating itself until the greedy and the selfish and the sociopaths are forever extinguished. It's happened many times before and it will happen again and it always, always ends up the same way. I have to conclude those with that mindset are unable to learn from the past. Most unfortunate for them.
 
apple0154 said:
As I've stated before history is replete with people "who actually had the foresight to provide for themselves". People like Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette who told the folks where to go when it came time to share. Of course, there are lessor figures throughout history and there are folks, today, who believe they had the foresight when they signed contracts that offered millions of dollars in bonuses while poor saps lost their retirement funds.

And then there's the "little businessman" who sold crap or did shoddy work and then declared bankruptcy and because of "LLC" and other laws written up by thieves were allowed to keep the ill-gotten gains which permitted them to "provide for themselves" while preventing or hampering others from doing so.

The single moms, the unemployed fathers, the teenagers who never had a chance to prepare, the elderly having had to depend on the disgusting pittance they received....just lazy bums who didn't have "the foresight to provide for themselves". (It's nobody's fault but Grandma's that she didn't cut back on her dog food consumption.)

History will keep repeating itself until the greedy and the selfish and the sociopaths are forever extinguished. It's happened many times before and it will happen again and it always, always ends up the same way. I have to conclude those with that mindset are unable to learn from the past. Most unfortunate for them.
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Yes or no: should a parent risk the lives of their children in order to help strangers?
 
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica](NIV, Mark 12:28-31).[/FONT]
 
WinterBorn said:
The problem with this version of "share" is that I bring food and you bring appetites.
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Of course. Because they exist, and we exist to support them. We're supposed to let our own children starve so the "hungry hordes" can eat off our stores for a single day. Doing otherwise is selfishness.

If ANY species acted the way this idiot demands, they would be placed along side the dodo within a few generations. They can't seem to grasp the basic reality that a parent's first responsibility is to the survival of their children. Nothing can be allowed to threaten that.

Of course, considering the difficulty liberals like Apple and \\(\(\/)/)// have with the entire concept of personal responsibility, I guess it is small wonder they haven't a clue about the responsibility that comes with parenting.
 
\\(\(\/)/)// said:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica](NIV, Mark 12:28-31).[/FONT]
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Ok, that fits with what we have been saying, or at least what I have been saying. If there is one ration of food left, my child will get it before I do. My child's health and safety comes before mine does. So my putting the health of my child above that of my neighbors is in line with the scripture you quoted. Thanks. :good4u:
 
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