Rand Paul KO’s Fauci in the first round

Turgid Member said:
Fauci didn't either. I have ducked nothing. Thanks for the virology 101 lesson. I addressed this earlier, you seemed to have ducked that. The fact is it is highly unlikely a vaccinated person will engage in viral shedding and studies have confirmed this with all the vaccines show a significant to near zero viral load in the vaccinated persons nose for example.

This isn't peer reviewed yet, but this is the actual data coming out:

Data analysis in a study by the Israeli Health Ministry and Pfizer Inc found the Pfizer vaccine developed with Germany’s BioNTech reduces infection, including in asymptomatic cases, by 89.4% and in syptomatic cases by 93.7%.

https://www.reuters.com/article/hea...19-vaccine-reduces-transmission-idUSKBN2AJ08J
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some one of these CDC or Fauci dweebs was trying to sell the fact that the nasal viral load can still be sufficient
even after being vaccinnated to infect others
Sorry I cant source it, (i heard it in passing) -but they are just making up "what ifs" now to justify WTF they want
 
dukkha said:
some one of these CDC or Fauci dweebs was trying to sell the fact that the nasal viral load can still be sufficient
even after being vaccinnated to infect others
Sorry I cant source it, (i heard it in passing) -but they are just making up "what ifs" now to justify WTF they want
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I made a similar point earlier. Well, it was actually Paul’s point.

They’re following something besides the science. Hunches, guesses or maybe an agenda.
 
christiefan915 said:
IMO the only reason RWs are against Fauci is because he stood up to trump. Fauci was hardly even mentioned, let alone excoriated, during the AIDS epidemic, the ebola crisis, the Zika crisis or other epidemics. If Covid had happened during the Obama presidency you can bet Obama wouldn't have called it a hoax and raked Fauci over the coals for giving his professional opinion.
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Have you heard of Prof. Sunetra Gupta, she is vehemently against the approach advocated by the likes of Fauci, as far as I know she's no friend of Trump.

Prof. Sunetra Gupta — New Lockdown is a Terrible Mistake

Sunetra Gupta is Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology in the Department of Zoology at the University of Oxford, and a Royal Society Wolfson Research Fellow. She holds a bachelor’s degree from Princeton University and a Ph.D. from the University of London. She has been awarded the Scientific Medal of the Zoological Society of London, the Royal Society Rosalind Franklin Award, and currently holds a Royal Society Wolfson Research Fellowship and an ERC Senior Investigator Award.

In addition to epidemiology she has expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases. Her area of specialization is evolutionary ecology of infectious disease systems.

IAIN MARTIN ➝ 00:00
Welcome to professor Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology at the Department of Zoology, University of Oxford. Thank you for joining us on Reaction. Professor Gupta, the Prime Minister Boris Johnson spoke this afternoon in the House of Commons about there being no alternative to this latest month-long lockdown in England. Is he right?

SUNETRA GUPTA
I would beg to disagree. I think there is an alternative, and that alternative involves reducing the deaths that this pandemic might cause by diverting our energies to protecting the vulnerables. Now, why would I say that?

The main reason to say that is because the costs of alternative strategies such as lockdown are so profound that we are left with a contemplation of how to go ahead, go forwards, in this current sort of situation without inflicting harm, not just to those who are vulnerable to COVID, but to the general population in a way that meets with those standards that we set ourselves from the moment we were, maybe not born, but from the moment that we became cognizant of those responsibilities towards society.


https://dryburgh.com/sunetra-gupta-lockdowns/
 
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Primavera said:
Have you heard of prof. Sunetra Gupta, she is vehemently against the approach advocated by the likes of Fauci, as far as I know she's no friend of his.

Prof. Sunetra Gupta — New Lockdown is a Terrible Mistake

Sunetra Gupta is Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology in the Department of Zoology at the University of Oxford, and a Royal Society Wolfson Research Fellow. She holds a bachelor’s degree from Princeton University and a Ph.D. from the University of London. She has been awarded the Scientific Medal of the Zoological Society of London, the Royal Society Rosalind Franklin Award, and currently holds a Royal Society Wolfson Research Fellowship and an ERC Senior Investigator Award.

In addition to epidemiology she has expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases. Her area of specialization is evolutionary ecology of infectious disease systems.

https://dryburgh.com/sunetra-gupta-lockdowns/
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Why do you suppose the US has the greatest number of Covid cases in the world? We have close to 2-1/2 times the next highest number, which is Brazil. The UK has 4.3 million cases as opposed to the US with 29.9 million cases. https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-maps-and-cases/

The professor says she can't even get a seat at the table to discuss her hypothesis. She signed the Great Barrington Declaration and public health experts say it's scientifically unsound. She doesn't have to like Fauci, if she even knows him; she doesn't live and work in the US and have input into our problems.

Who is the UK's director of infectious diseases and why haven't they taken her views under consideration?
 
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christiefan915 said:
Why do you supposed the US has the greatest number of Covid cases in the world? We have close to 2-1/2 times the next highest number, which is Brazil. The UK has 4.3 million cases as opposed to the US with 29.9 million cases. https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-maps-and-cases/

The professor says she can't even get a seat at the table to discuss her hypothesis. She signed the Great Barrington Declaration and public health experts say it's scientifically unsound. She doesn't have to like Fauci, if she even knows him; she doesn't live and work in the US and have input into our problems.

Who is the UK's director of infectious diseases and why haven't they taken her views under consideration?
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Why do people seemingly want to concentrate on cases rather than deaths per million? Could it be because the US is only 12th and Sweden 25th? Yes she signed the Barrington Declaration as did many eminent virologists and epidemiologists. I already told you that Boris was inclined to take her advice but was scared off by PHE England, Neil Ferguson and his discredited model. Fauci was heavily influenced by Ferguson and he, like many in the public eye, was terrified of losing face.

Do you want to know why so there are so many cases in the US and UK, it's quite simple. Obesity in a word, caused by shitty diet fuelled by junk food. Maybe KFC, Mickey D et al ought to be fined for their contribution to the epidemic? It also explains why there are so many BAME deaths as well?
 
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Special report: The simulations driving the world’s response to COVID-19
How epidemiologists rushed to model the coronavirus pandemic.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6
Many of the models simulating how diseases spread are unique to individual academic groups that have been developing them for years. But the mathematical principles are similar. They are based around trying to understand how people move between three main states, and how quickly: individuals are either susceptible (S) to the virus; have become infected (I); and then either recover (R) or die.
The R group is presumed to be immune to the virus, so can no longer pass on the infection. People with natural immunity would also belong to this group.

The simplest SIR models make basic assumptions, such as that everyone has the same chance of catching the virus from an infected person because the population is perfectly and evenly mixed, and that people with the disease are all equally infectious until they die or recover. More-advanced models, which make the quantitative predictions policymakers need during an emerging pandemic, subdivide people into smaller groups — by age, sex, health status, employment, number of contacts, and so on — to set who meets whom, when and in which places (see ‘Measuring social mixing’).
 
Primavera said:
Why do people seemingly want to concentrate on cases rather than deaths per million? Could it be because the US is only 12th and Sweden 25th? Yes she signed the Barrington Declaration as did many eminent virologists and epidemiologists. I already told you that Boris was inclined to use her model but was scared off by PHE England, Neil Ferguson and his discredited model.
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According to the link I posted the US has the most deaths (542,872) of all those countries, along with the most cases (29,861,965.) So maybe people believe they have a higher chance of dying if they get the virus.
 
christiefan915 said:
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"Cases".

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christiefan915 said:
According to the link I posted the US has the most deaths (542,872) of all those countries, along with the most cases (29,861,965.) So maybe people believe they have a higher chance of dying if they get the virus.
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i think it's probably much more COVID related deaths are overused as cause
 
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