Reality check on electric cars

[Into the Night]

So the mega millions of phones use so little cobalt, that they do not have to mine for it. They just pick it up on the ground. You guys are not well.

Word stuffing. False dilemma fallacy.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

False dilemma fallacy.

Hmmmm, interesting.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

False dilemma fallacy.

Gosh I never thought of it that way! Are you a super-duper genius?

 

[Lionfish]

Tesla Has A Temperature Problem

Joey wets panties.

 

[Nordberg]

Word stuffing. False dilemma fallacy.

Is that how you label fact? There are about 7 billion cell phones on the planet. You know where you can stuff them. It is a real problem.

 

[Into the Night]

Is that how you label fact? There are about 7 billion cell phones on the planet. You know where you can stuff them. It is a real problem.

Random phrases. No apparent coherency.

 

[Nordberg]

Random phrases. No apparent coherency.

How crazy are you? Every fucking cell phone, computer, and most electronic devices use cobalt. That is a lot of cobalt.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Into the Night]

How crazy are you? Every fucking cell phone, computer, and most electronic devices use cobalt. That is a lot of cobalt.

The only cobalt is a tiny amount in the coin or flatpack battery. EV's use a LOT of cobalt, not the tiny amount used in cell phones or computers.

 

[Into the Night]

Waste heat caused by generating that power and transmitting it to the charging stations (which also generates waste heat) and the batteries (which generate waste heat when charging and again when discharging) means the EV uses about twice the energy of a similar sized gasoline car going the same distance.

Each energy conversion creates a loss.
The EV is wasteful of energy.

 

[Lionfish]

Waste heat caused by generating that power and transmitting it to the charging stations (which also generates waste heat) and the batteries (which generate waste heat when charging and again when discharging) means the EV uses about twice the energy of a similar sized gasoline car going the same distance.

Each energy conversion creates a loss.
The EV is wasteful of energy.

An EV is just a vehicle with an exhaust pipe in a different location.

 

[Into the Night]

An EV is just a vehicle with an exhaust pipe in a different location.

Heh. A good way to put it!

 

[Saint Guinefort]

An EV is just a vehicle with an exhaust pipe in a different location.

Where's my exhaust pipe? I charge on my solar PV system.

(Don't say it's the manufacturing of the Solar PV because then YOU will have to take into account the carbon impact of the manufacturing of your gasoline as well as the entire service station and gasoline delivery system)

 

[Saint Guinefort]

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[Nordberg]

The only cobalt is a tiny amount in the coin or flatpack battery. EV's use a LOT of cobalt, not the tiny amount used in cell phones or computers.

As usual, you are absolutely wrong.https://fresh-energy.org/whats-up-w...rgest use of,powered by lithium-ion batteries. The largest use of cobalt is electronic devices. And before your panties get wet, they are phasing them out. You have a special kind of selective self-ignorance.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

As usual, you are absolutely wrong.https://fresh-energy.org/whats-up-w...rgest use of,powered by lithium-ion batteries. The largest use of cobalt is electronic devices. And before your panties get wet, they are phasing them out. You have a special kind of selective self-ignorance.

People tend to forget the GIGANTIC MASS of electronics that we have in the world.

To selectively focus on EV's as if that is the dominant use of anything even remotely rare or requiring mining is absurd on the face of it.

 

[Into the Night]

Where's my exhaust pipe? I charge on my solar PV system.

(Don't say it's the manufacturing of the Solar PV because then YOU will have to take into account the carbon impact of the manufacturing of your gasoline as well as the entire service station and gasoline delivery system)

Lie. It takes days to charge strictly from solar power. Stop making shit up about yourself.

 

[Into the Night]

As usual, you are absolutely wrong.https://fresh-energy.org/whats-up-w...rgest use of,powered by lithium-ion batteries. The largest use of cobalt is electronic devices. And before your panties get wet, they are phasing them out. You have a special kind of selective self-ignorance.

No. The only cobalt used in the small coin and flatpack batteries.
Most cobalt used is for the huge Li-ion battery backs in EVs.

False equivalence fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

People tend to forget the GIGANTIC MASS of electronics that we have in the world.

To selectively focus on EV's as if that is the dominant use of anything even remotely rare or requiring mining is absurd on the face of it.

False equivalence fallacy. Argument from randU fallacy.

 

[Lionfish]

Where's my exhaust pipe? I charge on my solar PV system.

(Don't say it's the manufacturing of the Solar PV because then YOU will have to take into account the carbon impact of the manufacturing of your gasoline as well as the entire service station and gasoline delivery system)

Karen,
It is located in the mines where the 8 year old's forage for cobalt and the trucks that take it for processing, and the ships that bring it to our shores, and the dock equipment that offloads, and so on and so on.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/ot...an-rights-abuses-in-cobalt-mining/ar-AA16IZaZ