Reality check on electric cars

The greenhouse effect is proven SCIENCE!
Nope. "Greenhouse effect" is a proven meaningless buzzword. See the links in my sig for more details. Heck, you know what, I feel like a nice guy, so I'll just post the "sermon sequence" that IBDaMann noticed some time ago and spelled out so clearly and beautifully. These following words all belong to IBDaMann:

"The laws of thermodynamics, Stefan-Boltzman and Planck's law represent the science that kill your Global Warming religion, principally by quashing your greenhouse effect doctrine. Warmizombies cannot make their dogma "work" without violating this science in some way.

1. Global Warming is the Marxist religion that asserts the inexplicable spontaneous increase in earth's average global temperature despite unchanging solar output, i.e. the equilibrium temperature simply increases without any additional energy. This is an egregious violation of Planck's law, the zeroth law of thermodynamics and of all black body science.

2. greenhouse effect is the doctrine that provides the holy mechanism for earth's Global Warming (see point 1) which began during the Industrial Revolution, specifically upon the writing of the sacred Communist Manifesto text. Global Warming, as taught by the Church, is caused by miraculous greenhouse gases which are attributed to human activity (that all points back to conservatives) that have magical superpowers to defy physics, as follows:

- 2a. The force awakens within greenhouse gases, which begin creating additional energy out of nothing, in miraculous violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics. This miraculously-created thermal energy increases the earth's average global temperature in conjunction with the sun's constant output. The massive increase in human activity at the hands of GREEDY, fascist, socialist conservatives is the cause of the heavily accelerated increase in global temperatures that we must delude ourselves into seeing.

... when it is pointed out that point 2a is an egregious violation of thermodynamics, the preacher backpedals from 2a with the words "no one is claiming that energy is created out of nothing ..." and then seamlessly pivots to 2b, as such:

- 2b. greenhouse gases act as insulation, like a big, warm, cumfy wool blanket that cradles the earth in Global Warming. This cumfy blanket is totally transparent/non-existent to inbound solar energy, but then "traps" some of earth's "heat" by preventing earth's radiance (thermal radiation) from escaping into space. This causes a direct increase in the earth's average global temperature in conjunction with the sun's constant output.

... when it is pointed out that point 2b is an egregious violation of Stefan-Boltzmann, because radiance and temperature always move in the same direction, i.e. you can't have an increase in temperature with a decrease in radiance, the preacher backpedals from 2b with the words "no one is claiming that radiance is being decreased ..." and then seamlessly pivots to 2c, as such:

- 2c. The earth, in equilibrium, radiates thermally into space exactly what it absorbs, without creating any additional energy out of nothing, which is exactly what has been taught all along. The earth's thermal radiation, however, is simply absorbed by the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and half of that energy is re-radiated back down to earth, increasing the temperature of the surface, which therefore provides additional thermal radiation to the atmosphere which balances out the quantity of thermal radiation needed to escape into space and maintain equilibrium.

... when it is pointed out that point 2c is an egregious violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, because the much warmer lithosphere cannot be heated by the much cooler atmosphere, the preacher backpedals from 2c with the words "no one is claiming that the cooler atmosphere is somehow warming the earth ..." and then seamlessly pivots to 2a, as such:

- 2a. The force awakens within greenhouse gases, which begin creating additional energy out of nothing, in miraculous violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics. This miraculously-created thermal energy increases the earth's average global temperature in conjunction with the sun's constant output. The massive increase in human activity at the hands of GREEDY, fascist, socialist conservatives is the cause of the heavily accelerated increase in global temperatures that we must delude ourselves into seeing.

... and the cycle continues forever.

Don't be afraid to come to me with the hard stuff."


So, there you go. That's your global warming faith all summed up into one succinct post.

Also, if you go to freethought forum to read the thread I mentioned, that is all you can do. You won't be able to reply there unless you join. As for USMB, don't bother. I'm no longer a member there. So if you did all that there, I couldn't reply to you. Who knows. Maybe if I have the time one of these days, I'll post it here. But I have bigger fish to fry.
Stop being a pussy and post it here. You know what, I'll even add in as a bonus, just for you, IBDaMann's noting of how the Global Warming faith is just one great big lie of omission. Once again, these words all belong to IBDaMann:

"But let's examine more of your religion:

Your religious dogma teaches all to believe the following conclusions and to not ask any questions or apply any critical reasoning:

* that earth's ice is somehow disappearing ... by pointing to all the dying glaciers ... without ever making any mention of the equivalent number of glaciers that are growing or that are nascent.
* that the ocean is somehow becoming more acidic ... by pointing to atmospheric CO2 being absorbed by the ocean ... without ever mentioning the ocean's massive, persistent evaporation that far exceeds the paltry rate of CO2 absorption, that releases all absorbed CO2 back into the atmosphere.
* that extreme weather is somehow increasing, by simply pointing to each individual disaster somewhere, without mentioning all the lacks of disasters when and where there aren't any, without keeping tabs on excellent weather or nice weather, without ever mentioning that all such activity is completely normal within the context of weather, and without mentioning that there is absolutely no basis for claiming that disasters are somehow increasing in either severity or frequency.
* that atmospheric CO2 is somehow increasing, by pointing to "human activity" without ever mentioning that humans are not capable of generating quantities of CO2 that will not be readily and greedily consumed by the earth's burgeoning plant life, both on land and over the ocean's carpet of algae, seaweed, phytoplankton and many others.

... i.e. it's all one big lie of omission, and stupid people fall for it. This is why the stupidest among us are the ones targeted for indoctrination and why when you encounter a warmizombie, he will be scientifically illiterate and mathematically incompetent. I routinely encounter warmizombies who claim to hold PhDs in physics. I immediately know from their belief in the all of the above that their PhDs are honorary degrees bestowed by Climate clergy for demonstrating profound faith.

Religions offer hope and comfort in a chaotic world. One of the great puzzles of modern times is how Climate Change and Global Warming somehow offer any hope. Everything about the religion is catastrophic doom-n-gloom, and it might already be too late! The answer is that the Climate family of faiths offers hope on an individual level. The catastrophic doom-n-gloom panic is what generates the "chaotic world". The religion tells the stupid losers of the world that if only they will believe profoundly and unquestioningly that Climate Change is real, they will transform into science genius superheroes who will be initiated into the Climate Justice League, deputized to lay down the law with those evil, blood-sucking conservatives, and empowered to save the planet by whatever means they deem appropriate."


I'm guessing that you haven't heard any of this as a reply to your Bill Nye sermons, and I'm guessing that you have no way to "smash" it other than to cycle through your same dogma points over and over again, as noted in the first bit of IBDaMann's language that I included in this reply.
 
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How Dare You!
 
There are roads being built that will charge an RV as they drive on it. Rightys live in the past and are proud of their recalcitrance. Times are changing and Evs are the future, a cleaner and better one.
 
At least here your speech isn't censored and you don't get warning/points/temp bans for every little "wrong-speak" that you do. On another forum, your speech very likely would be censored.

Know that. I perused one as a visitor that was Leftist awhile back somebody here linked to. The moderators openly stated that the board was only for progressives and Leftists and anyone who posted otherwise would be summarily banned. A poll on the board had about a third of respondents to it saying that people who disagreed with the Left should be executed. Go figure.
 
There are roads being built that will charge an RV as they drive on it.
This again? Yawn. Who's going to pay for it, Sybil? You can't create energy out of nothing! How do you expect such roads to be maintained? What happens if you don't drive on such a specialized road? (There are no such public roads being built like this!)
Rightys live in the past and are proud of their recalcitrance.
EVs are older than gasoline cars, Sybil. It is YOU that is the Luddite.
Times are changing and Evs are the future, a cleaner and better one.
The EV market is crashing (again). People don't want them. The gasoline car is a better performer, much cheaper, and much more practical.

There is nothing 'clean' about an EV.
 
There are roads being built that will charge an RV as they drive on it. Rightys live in the past and are proud of their recalcitrance. Times are changing and Evs are the future, a cleaner and better one.

Those roads are usually less than a mile long and experimental. That won't work for general use on roadways for two reasons:

The load will dramatically change, often within minutes.

The line loss will be significant.

Those two will make such roads cost prohibitive.

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Imagine trying to do that on this highway. In one direction you have a large number of vehicles all charging with their numbers changing at every exit and on ramp. In the other direction, you have fewer vehicles charging. Then toss in that the number of vehicles charging is variable by lane and type of vehicle. Then the distribution of vehicles per lane and position in the lane is variable.

All of that amounts to a continuous, highly varying load that is induction coupled to the cars. Toss in weather as an added effect like rain or snow that's conductive and will to some degree syphon power off the charging grid.

Then there's maintenance. A section fails or is grounded out. That means digging up the road to fix it then replacing the road.
 
Those roads are usually less than a mile long and experimental. That won't work for general use on roadways for two reasons:

The load will dramatically change, often within minutes.

The line loss will be significant.

Those two will make such roads cost prohibitive.

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Imagine trying to do that on this highway. In one direction you have a large number of vehicles all charging with their numbers changing at every exit and on ramp. In the other direction, you have fewer vehicles charging. Then toss in that the number of vehicles charging is variable by lane and type of vehicle. Then the distribution of vehicles per lane and position in the lane is variable.

All of that amounts to a continuous, highly varying load that is induction coupled to the cars. Toss in weather as an added effect like rain or snow that's conductive and will to some degree syphon power off the charging grid.

Then there's maintenance. A section fails or is grounded out. That means digging up the road to fix it then replacing the road.

Of course, you test them before you go all in. Are you missing the logic in something that simple and basic?
 
Those roads are usually less than a mile long and experimental. That won't work for general use on roadways for two reasons:

The load will dramatically change, often within minutes.

The line loss will be significant.

Those two will make such roads cost prohibitive.

maxresdefault.jpg


Imagine trying to do that on this highway. In one direction you have a large number of vehicles all charging with their numbers changing at every exit and on ramp. In the other direction, you have fewer vehicles charging. Then toss in that the number of vehicles charging is variable by lane and type of vehicle. Then the distribution of vehicles per lane and position in the lane is variable.

All of that amounts to a continuous, highly varying load that is induction coupled to the cars. Toss in weather as an added effect like rain or snow that's conductive and will to some degree syphon power off the charging grid.

Then there's maintenance. A section fails or is grounded out. That means digging up the road to fix it then replacing the road.

And don't forget the cost of line loss or the electricity required to charge all those cars. Who pays for that??
 
And you lack any knowledge of electricity and how it works, or you'd know that such a system is unworkable on a large, mass scale.

Oh, you should inform all those engineers and builders of your great and obviously factual knowledge that eludes them. This is the logic you Luddites throw out over and over. You missed your time. When we built the first roads for autos, you could have told them it was worthless. One mile?
 
New car registration in 2022
Norway 89 percent EVs
Sweden 58 percent
Iceland 56 percent
China is going to supply them ,they are building lots of cheap EVs for the European market.
 
New car registration in 2022
Norway 89 percent EVs
Sweden 58 percent
Iceland 56 percent
China is going to supply them ,they are building lots of cheap EVs for the European market.

Iceland is a small country of about 300,000 people on an island in the North Atlantic, close to the Arctic Circle. During the Great Recession, their banks failed leaving them with almost no hard currency. This meant it was very hard to buy oil, gasoline, and other hydrocarbons. They still had an overabundance of other energies, and could make plenty of electricity, but were looking at a world where ambulances might not have fuel.

They are very eager to make the switch to electricity. It is energy independence for them.
 
Oh, you should inform all those engineers and builders of your great and obviously factual knowledge that eludes them. This is the logic you Luddites throw out over and over. You missed your time. When we built the first roads for autos, you could have told them it was worthless. One mile?

The "pull weight" to weight of batteries propulsion and efficiency is not viable for NHTSA-compliant vehicles.

If you really want to know why, I can tell you.

And yes, Ohm's law is involved.
 
The "pull weight" to weight of batteries propulsion and efficiency is not viable for NHTSA-compliant vehicles.

If you really want to know why, I can tell you.

And yes, Ohm's law is involved.

Plenty of EV's are NHTSA compliant, so not only is a viable, but it is actually happening.

Batteries don't have propulsion, that would be motors. EV's have no problem pulling their batteries.

I doubt you know anything, and that is reinforced by you throwing in a random reference to "Ohm's law."
 
Oh, you should inform all those engineers and builders of your great and obviously factual knowledge that eludes them.
Void reference fallacy. You can't name 'all those engineers and builders' as a reference. It is YOU denying engineering and theories of science, Sybil.
This is the logic you Luddites throw out over and over.
EVs are older than gasoline cars. The Luddite is YOU. You cannot project YOUR problems on anybody else, Sybil.
You missed your time.
You do not own time and neither does he, Sybil.
When we built the first roads for autos,
The first roads weren't built for automobiles, Sybil. They were built for wagons.
 
Iceland is a small country of about 300,000 people on an island in the North Atlantic, close to the Arctic Circle. During the Great Recession, their banks failed leaving them with almost no hard currency. This meant it was very hard to buy oil, gasoline, and other hydrocarbons. They still had an overabundance of other energies, and could make plenty of electricity, but were looking at a world where ambulances might not have fuel.

They are very eager to make the switch to electricity. It is energy independence for them.

Fuel in Iceland is easily available. It's just expensive because of high fuel taxes.
 
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