Reality check on electric cars

Walt said:
Plenty of EV's are NHTSA compliant, so not only is a viable, but it is actually happening.

Batteries don't have propulsion, that would be motors. EV's have no problem pulling their batteries.
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Ignoring the subject of roads that magickally charge EVs now?
Walt said:
I doubt you know anything, and that is reinforced by you throwing in a random reference to "Ohm's law."
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Ohm's Law, which you are ignoring, is indeed a valid problem with such roads.
 
Walt said:
Iceland is a small country of about 300,000 people on an island in the North Atlantic, close to the Arctic Circle. During the Great Recession, their banks failed leaving them with almost no hard currency. This meant it was very hard to buy oil, gasoline, and other hydrocarbons. They still had an overabundance of other energies, and could make plenty of electricity, but were looking at a world where ambulances might not have fuel.

They are very eager to make the switch to electricity. It is energy independence for them.
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Iceland's power is almost 100 percent renewable. They're way ahead of us in that. They rely on hydro and geothermal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Geography.
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Astronomy. They know how it is to live without energy pollution.They prefer it over huge corporate profits.
EVs are getting over 300 miles per charge. In 2013 it was 50. Do you know which number is larger? The range gets bigger and bigger all the time. They are going to replace ICEs whether you live in the past or not.
 
Nordberg said:
Astronomy. They know how it is to live without energy pollution.They prefer it over huge corporate profits.
EVs are getting over 300 miles per charge. In 2013 it was 50. Do you know which number is larger? The range gets bigger and bigger all the time. They are going to replace ICEs whether you live in the past or not.
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Iceland, and Norway for that matter, have geography on their side for production of hydroelectric and geothermal power. Most of the US doesn't. As for EV's unless government forces--FORCES--them on people they'll remain a niche vehicle in the US. It isn't just range that's an issue with them either. Actually, it's the EV champions that are living in the past. EV's have been around longer than ICE vehicles and have never made any massive dent in the market. Before ICE vehicles, and in the early years of them, say up to about 1914 or so, EV's were popular in urban areas and with upper middle class, and rich women in particular.
 
Nordberg said:
EVs are getting over 300 miles per charge.
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No, they don't. I've already explained this in detail for you. Even the Chevy Bolt, rated at roughly 250 miles of range, only ACTUALLY gets roughly 100 miles of range (or less) during non-ideal conditions.
 
Stringfellow Hawk said:
REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious "If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities."

"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."

So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this deadend road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
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My old Volt gets about 45 miles of charge. Since it also uses gas, the computer calculates how many miles we get per gallon. It is at 108.
 
Level 1 charge equipment is typically provided with all new EVs. This type plugs into an ordinary 120V household outlet, making this the most convenient but also the slowest way to charge an electric car. Level 1 chargers add roughly two to four miles of range per hour, with the lower end of that range corresponding to larger, less efficient EVs. This means Level 1 charging can take days, not hours, to fully replenish a depleted battery pack. But charging from empty is far from the norm, so Level 1 can work out just fine if you drive no more than 20 miles or so per day and can plug in every night.


Joey wets panties
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Wow... Just WOW. What a bunch of nonsense.


Actually the average home with air conditioning is equipped with a 200 amp service. But even a 100 amp service can deliver 75 amps. So this claim is nonsense to begin with. Then it claims that the electrical grid can only deliver 225 amps to 25 homes that are wired to be able to use 2500 amps? An air conditioner is usually rated for 30-50 amps. Let's assume the 25 homes have 30 amp air conditioners. If all the homes were running air conditioners at the same time it would require 750 amps. Almost 3 times the requirement for 3 Teslas. The Teslas wouldn't be charging during the heat of the day when all those air conditioners would be running.

So now we are going to ignore the Teslas and move to a hybrid. The entire point of the reserve engine is that you don't need to charge the battery to keep driving. It wouldn't take 14.5 hours to take a road trip. When you have to fill up the gas tank, you simply get back on the road. Your average speed in a Volt would be 60mph if you drove 60mph. You don't have to charge the battery when you fill up the tank with gas. How much of an idiot is the person making this claim? They stopped making the Volt in 2019 and it's range had more than doubled by that time. In fact the stats they are using for the Volt are from the initial 2011 version of it.

Since we already know you can't do math, let's examine this idiocy. The average cost per kwh is not $1.16 anywhere in the country. The highest cost for kwh in the lower 48 states is about 21 cents. https://www.electricrate.com/electricity-rates-by-state/ So this claim starts off by a factor of 5 at least. But the average cost for the US is actually about 13 cents. 16 x .21 = $3.36 at most to charge the battery and the average is actually 16 x .13 = $2.08. So the cost per mile is at most .13 per mile and more likely to be about .08 per mile. Funny thing, 8 cents per mile is less than 10 cents per mile.

If you were paying $1.16 per kwh, your average electrical bill would be in the neighborhood of $1000 per month. I do love your idiocy since that would mean you were paying almost as much for electricity that you are for your mortgage.

I guess that explains why you will always be poor and stupid, MAGA. You make so many errors that only a fool would believe what you posted.
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Savage! LOL
 
Into the Night said:
The volt is not an EV.
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Right. The Volt is essentially an overweight ICE vehicle. The battery in the Volt isn't much to speak of besides adding extra weight to the vehicle. Nordy thinks that the existence of that battery (and what some computer tells him) somehow increases his MPG to 108.
 
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Nordberg said:
Astronomy. They know how it is to live without energy pollution.
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Energy is not pollution.
Nordberg said:
They prefer it over huge corporate profits.
EVs are getting over 300 miles per charge.
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No, they aren't. Even if they did, that's a nothing.
Nordberg said:
In 2013 it was 50. Do you know which number is larger? The range gets bigger and bigger all the time. They are going to replace ICEs whether you live in the past or not.
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TANSTAAFL.
You cannot create energy out of nothing, Sock.
 
RB 60 said:
Level 1 charge equipment is typically provided with all new EVs. This type plugs into an ordinary 120V household outlet, making this the most convenient but also the slowest way to charge an electric car. Level 1 chargers add roughly two to four miles of range per hour, with the lower end of that range corresponding to larger, less efficient EVs. This means Level 1 charging can take days, not hours, to fully replenish a depleted battery pack. But charging from empty is far from the norm, so Level 1 can work out just fine if you drive no more than 20 miles or so per day and can plug in every night.


Joey wets panties
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AND if you have someplace to plug it into! Not everyone has a house or garage.
 
Walt said:
Plenty of EV's are NHTSA compliant, so not only is a viable, but it is actually happening.
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It isn't happening. The EV market is collapsing (yet again).
Walt said:
Batteries don't have propulsion, that would be motors. EV's have no problem pulling their batteries.
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Yes they do. Only smaller cars can deal with the extra weight effectively at all.
Walt said:
I doubt you know anything, and that is reinforced by you throwing in a random reference to "Ohm's law."
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Denying Ohm's law won't help you.
 
disobey said:
After you said "here's my position on the whole climate change thing," I had no desire to read any further. Because the opinion of idiots doesn't interest me. Human caused global warming is a reality. Don't believe it? Open another window in your browser. Type in it, "freethought forum." When you get to the forum, do a search for the thread, "Kiss your ass goodbye." Click on it and read it. It's as easy as pie. If you think you have a rebuttal for it, don't bother. Chances are somebody else had the same one. Which I smashed. Just read down the list of replies to find out. If you want a more extensive list of replies, go to USMB instead. Do a search there for "Kiss your ass goodbye." In the search where it asks who posted it, enter "haveatit." That is the username I used at the time there.

As for how much pollution we should allow, that's like asking "How much crime should we allow." It is a foolish question.
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