Toy car performance degrades over time, Real cars generally dont.
Battery replacement can cost $20k for reconditioned batteries....not even new....Real cars dont have that problem.
Reality check on electric cars
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Battery replacement can cost $20k for reconditioned batteries....not even new....Real cars dont have that problem.
Into the Night
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It is. Insurance are high for EVs because if a single battery cell gets damaged (rock, high center, minor t-bone accident, etc), the entire car is totaled.
He thinks he can charge his EV quickly piddle power. It's faster to just plug it into a standard 120v 20A outlet.
It's amazing how they keep asking for this, and sometimes give personal information themselves (such as in Sealover's and his sock's case).
Into the Night
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Higher. There are no reconditioned batteries.
gfm7175
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I have never once had to replace a muffler on any of my ICE vehicles.
I have never once had to replace a transmission on any of my ICE vehicles. When the dealership once told me that I had to replace the whole transmission on my RAV4, the issue was actually just the torque converter. I had my mechanic replace that specific part for MUCH less than the dealership quoted me for the whole transmission. Haven't had any issues since!
Yup, that's just simple maintenance and it doesn't take much time at all to do.
Wrong. EVs need simple maintenance same as ICE vehicles do, no matter how proud EV owners are of not properly maintaining their vehicles.
gfm7175
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Vehicles here in Wisconsin tend to get retired due to road salt damage before they get retired due to any sort of expensive mechanical issue(s). Road salt is even worse for EVs than it is for ICE vehicles...
Obtenebrator
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LOL. Seriously, LOL.
Into the Night
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I've never had to replace my muffler either.
Same with me. He apparently also doesn't realize the EVs have transmissions!
Never even had to do that to any of my cars.
Replacing a torque converter is not simple maintenance since you have to dismount the engine to do it. Never had one fail me either.
That's right. EV's have oil, coolant, and lubrication requirements. They also have friction components that must be replaced from time to time, such as brakes. Brakes and tires are especially a problem for EVs because of their excessive weight.
The oil doesn't need to be changed in an EV like a gasoline engine, but it should be checked from time to time.
The coolant should also be checked from time to time, including any leaks in the system. That can DESTROY a battery, and may even result in a battery fire. Corrosion has also been a problem in the coolant system of some EVs.
The EV is also much more dependent on software than even a FADEC gasoline car. EVs are the most recalled cars in the business for this reason. This, of course, must be done at the dealership (like most any EV repair).
Into the Night
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Heh. That road salt does NO car any good!
EVs aren't popular in Wisconsin due to the extreme cold of your winters there. EVs can't operate in cold conditions, or even charge properly.
EVs aren't popular in Arizona for the opposite reason. Extreme temperatures are just plain bad for the EV. Batteries overheat, charging can more easily start a battery fire, coolant issues are that much more critical, the car uses much more power just to keep the cabin reasonably comfortable, and even the radiator for the motor coolant is inadequate at such temperatures, causing possible motor damage on some EV designs.
Oh...that's another maintenance item on EVs...keeping the radiator clear and checking it for leaks. It sits low in the rear, but it can pick up rocks and other debris. At least it sits high enough that a high center usually damages the battery before the radiator! (This is an advantage?)
gfm7175
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Right. I wasn't referring to the torque converter job as "simple maintenance". I was referring specifically to the air filter and oil change jobs as "simple maintenance".
Into the Night
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The hybrid is a bit like the diesel-electric locomotive.
The engine is used to generate power for the traction motors. A battery is used to ballast only, making the battery smaller (it's usually located behind the seats, up and out of the way of rocks and damage under the car. Like any gasoline car, it has effectively infinite range.
Into the Night
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And they are. The filters on an EV also need to be changed from time to time. There is one in the battery coolant line and another for the cabin.
The oil coolant for the motor uses a simple strainer disc screen (which should be checked from time to time and possibly cleaned).
gfm7175
Mega MAGA
Indeed! Plenty of people around here purposely shop for their used trucks from states like Oklahoma and Washington so that they are "rust free" (IOW, not damaged by road salt). Any used truck around these parts usually has significant damage to the wheel wells, let alone any damage to the undercarriage.
Right. I hardly ever see EVs on the road, even in Madison (which is where I will see them if I DO see them). Those people don’t think about the fact that their vehicles are useless in the ‘frozen tundra’ conditions that Wisconsin is known for. Their hive-mind is solely focused on “saving the planet” from “global warming”. I do see plenty of "hybrids" (aka overweight ICE vehicles) though... still very few compared to typical ICE vehicles.
Indeed, and people don't seem to think about this one (even more-so than they don't think about the extreme cold).
This is another big reason why I don't ever want an EV... I'd hate for pretty much any minor accident to be able to "total" my vehicle (and the insurance rates!).
That was true when I grew up in Rockford Il.....at one point there was talk about going to something much easier on cars.....not sure what happened to that.
Into the Night
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I've seen what happens to the chassis rails on such trucks. It ain't pretty.
City Newbies.
Which is hilarious, since EVs don't save the planet or prevent or cause "global warming".
The only thing that can cause global warming is for the Sun to increase it's output (quite rare, as that star is remarkably stable!), or the Earth to move closer to the Sun (which happens every year, right around wintertime in the Northern hemisphere). That's the point of perihelion. Aphelion is during our summer (when the globe is cooler to the increase distance).
Their hive-mind thinks their own backyard is the entire world. A hot summer day is "global warming".
Hybrids can be heavy, since they still DO have batteries (not nearly as large) and effectively two engines for the vehicle instead of one.
On a diesel-electric locomotive, this can be an advantage, since it allows better traction of steel wheels on steel rails. In a car, it's a disadvantage, since you lose maneuverability and require more expensive tires and brakes to handle the higher weight.
Once you step out into that wall of heat and get your foot stuck in the melting asphalt, you get reminded of how hot it gets!
Battery replacement is nothing like 20 k. Do you know what an ICE engine replacement costs? How about transmissions? These are real. They have shops that just replace them. https://www.bridwellautocenter.com/engine-replacement-cost/ Of course you have to factor in the time it takes in the cost. A dealer is far more expensive and many cars, the engines cost a fortune.
Try a luxury cr or sports car for sticker shock,
Tesla batteries routinely routinely supercharged tend to crap out shortly after 100k miles....modern engines routinely make it well over 200K.....NOT THE SAME THING.
Into the Night
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Correct. It's much higher.
I don't have to replace my engine. A new engine in the crate is $2000.
I don't have to replace my transmission. A new transmission in the crate is $1000
Yes they are, and nowhere as expensive as replacing a battery. Better still, anyone can replace an engine or transmission. No special shop is needed.
Nowhere near as much as an EV battery, Sybil.
An EV is not a luxury car nor a sports car. False equivalence fallacy.
Into the Night
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I've taken engines out to 400k, no problem. I've taken transmissions even further.
Routine maintenance can get you a long way.
Sybil has already admitted he doesn't maintain his car.
We have an 04 and and 09....both around 200K....we have no intention of changing anytime soon.