ADreamOfLiberty
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You say it like the #1 rational reason to not want a tank of hypercompressed hydrogen in your car is not the fact that the hydrogen is under enormous pressure and if the tank rupturtes the expanding explosive ball of gas could rip half the car apart.It's the fact that no one wants a tank of compressed hydrogen on their car. Simple as that.
Obviously long steady design refinement solves a lot of problems, and maybe it could be made 'safe enough' but that huge pressure also severely limits how much hydrogen can be carried. Personally it's such a big issue that I would investigate whether active cryo storage of hydrogen and oxygen (like a rocket) wouldn't be easier to perfect.
Liquid hydrogen isn't the safest thing in the world either but the volume of the tank would be so much smaller for so much more hydrogen. You would actually be getting a serious amount of energy in exchange for all the control systems and risk management. I imagine if the insulation is good enough that you might be able to keep the temperature low using solar maintainers on the car's skin and maybe even have a small electrolysis reactor so the vehicle could slowly refuel itself given rainwater.
Not a major selling feature but I really like the idea of problems that solve themselves like that. A lot of business models have cars sitting around for a considerable amount of time. Car rental agencies, parking in airports while you go somewhere, people with multiple vehicles.
That's why solid state storage like metal hydrides was being investigated. Or the material that I worked on briefly in my second postdoc.
Sounds good, so long as it doesn't have the same kind of inevitable chemical decay that batteries have always had. It wouldn't work for planes, volume efficiency but not mass efficiency.
If the only use of kerosene/gasoline/propane is planes that would work for a long time.
Not to me, that's why I called it hysteria.The "climate hysteria" you mentioned is kind of a big deal.
We are, that's where a lot of the power people are using to charge cars is coming from.But if we are OK with ignoring the really bad stuff why not just power cars with coal?
Coal isn't better than gasoline if you don't care about carbon dioxide and if you do care about carbon dioxide then coal is still not better than gasoline, it just shifts the burning to the power plant.
If you're saying that someone who doesn't care about carbon would prefer coal over nuclear, no; because coal is a finite resource in a way that nuclear fission is not. If we wanted to 50x power production we would end up tearing up national parks worth of ground we would be facing a constant increase in prices as the easier to access veins were used up.
That is not hysteria, that is history. Mining has always worked like this, it's why the world is littered with dead mining towns. I know uranium mining was touched on earlier, but the fact is uranium is a relatively rare element and it's best seen as a byproduct of metal mining. Also, very unlike coal, the refine form of the energy material is tiny compared to the material that had to be sifted through to find it. If we had a giant uranium mine in ant artica for example (where there was basically no ecosystem to disrupt), and that mine produced enough for the entire world at 50x current, we could still carry that energy on a single ship per year (we would't because of eggs and baskets but we could).
For the same reason, if for some sad reason we can't make fusion work in the long term, we could feasibly mine fissile material from other rocky bodies in the system. The enormous energy density of the refined product making it profitable.
The vein shape for metal oxides is also (potentially) considerably different than coal, not absolutely sure on this but I get the impression that coal deposits are wide and thin, like layers of sediment; which is closish to what they were.
Open pit mining is the only simple way to mine coal, but underground honeycomb mining might work for metal oxides.
All that said if it were up to me I would clear the way for both and let the most efficient win, something tells me fission can scale in a way coal cannot.