Reality check on electric cars

Honda is moving towards a fuel cell car and has early ones already on the market. The last time there was a fundamental shift in car drive train technology was in the 70's with pollution controls. All the car makers except Honda opted for the quick fix with catalytic converters. Honda invented an engine that emitted less pollution to begin with and eliminated the need for a converter (until much later when it didn't impact performance and was needed to meet much stricter standards). All the other manufacturers were forced to license Honda's technology while Honda could freely adopt the catalytic converter when they did.

Same thing with battery cars. Fuel cells are going to crush batteries.
 
I read that at this time electric cars are more expensive to produce. That is because they have not made the changeover. Electric cars are far simpler. They have far fewer parts. They are glorified golf carts.
 
Legion said:
Several automobile manufacturers have made pledges to halt or drastically reduce producing cars with internal combustion engines between 2030 and 2035. The latest was Audi, a subsidiary of Germany's Volkswagen, which pledged to launch only fully electric vehicles from 2026 and halt manufacturing cars with internal combustion engines by 2033. Here's a look at other major automakers who have already set a deadline for their model line-ups to go fully electric.

BMW: The German carmaker has increased its electric vehicle sales targets as stricter emission limits are pushing all manufacturers to make the shift. Over the coming decade, BMW now wants to sell 10 million fully-electric vehicles, up from its previous target of four million. The upscale carmaker was an early mover towards electric vehicles with its i3, but was then overtaken, in particular by Tesla. In addition to proposing a fully electric version of each model, BMW also announced in March that its brand Mini would shift completely to electric vehicles within a decade.

Volkswagen: The German car group plans to have electric vehicles account for 60 percent of sales in Europe by 2030, and 50 percent of the global total. It has yet to announce a date for retiring internal combustion engines. Volkswagen's luxury carmaker Porsche has not announced an end date for petrol and diesel engines, but is targeting carbon neutrality by 2030. Lamborghini, which also belongs to the Volkswagen group, announced last month its road-map to switching towards electric for its luxury sports cars. It hopes to have electric options for all of its models by the end of 2024.

Volvo: The subsidiary of the Chinese group Geely plans to retire internal combustion engines and hybrids from its lineup by 2030. It aims for half of its cars to be electric by 2025.

GM: The US automaker has said it plans to stop building polluting vehicles by 2035, even if it hasn't explicitly stated to offer only electric vehicles.

Stellantis: The group which contains the Jeep, Chrysler, Fiat, Peugeot, Citroen and Opel brands, has said it will no longer invest in the development of new internal combustion engines.

Toyota: The pioneer in hybrids aims for them to account for 70 percent of sales in 2025 and traditional internal combustion engines to account for just 10 percent. Another 10 percent would be plug-in hybrids and the remaining 10 percent fully-electric or hydrogen powered.

Daimler: The Mercedes-Benz maker said in April it plans to accelerate its shift towards electric vehicles, doubling the sale of fully-electric and hybrids this year. By 2025, it aims for 25 percent of sales to be electric, and 50 percent by 2030.

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/auto-tech/evs-are-the-future-a-list-of-all-carmakers-who-have-decided-to-phase-out-ice-vehicles-and-go-electric-9744401.html

Ford, GM & four other OEMs commit to phase out gas car production by 2040

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Now you are just quoting made up shit. A tech website is not a valid authority. A government is not a valid authority either. False authority fallacies.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Honda is moving towards a fuel cell car and has early ones already on the market.
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Honda and Toyota have put out some fuel cell cars. The problem is that hydrogen has far less energy than gasoline or diesel oil. It also must be produced by some form of synthesis, liquification, or electrolysis. That takes energy...a lot of it. Where is that energy going to come from? There is also the problem with handling hydrogen. It's not exactly easy to ship in large quantities easily. Today, hydrogen is mostly produced by liquification, and shipped in trucks to bottling plants to bottle it. The current price of hydrogen is about $3.07/kg. As demand increases, price will go up. It takes almost twice as much hydrogen as gasoline to move the same distance. It's just not as energetic a fuel, whether you burn it or use it in a fuel cell.
T. A. Gardner said:
The last time there was a fundamental shift in car drive train technology was in the 70's with pollution controls.
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Pollution control systems are not part of the drive train.
T. A. Gardner said:
All the car makers except Honda opted for the quick fix with catalytic converters.
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Not a quick fix. Indeed, catalytic converters do very little, and they are expensive. The only reason they are there is because the government says they have to be there. The most effective pollution control system in your car is the EGR system and the FADEC design.
T. A. Gardner said:
Honda invented an engine that emitted less pollution to begin with and eliminated the need for a converter (until much later when it didn't impact performance and was needed to meet much stricter standards).
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That little engine did run hot though. It was hard on the oil, and it's EGR system was unfortunately badly designed, contributing to pollution.
T. A. Gardner said:
All the other manufacturers were forced to license Honda's technology
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Honda did not invent any pollution control system.
T. A. Gardner said:
while Honda could freely adopt the catalytic converter when they did.
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No, they were forced to install one just as any other car.
T. A. Gardner said:
Same thing with battery cars. Fuel cells are going to crush batteries.
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Academic. Neither will crush the internal combustion engine.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Honda is moving towards a fuel cell car and has early ones already on the market. The last time there was a fundamental shift in car drive train technology was in the 70's with pollution controls. All the car makers except Honda opted for the quick fix with catalytic converters. Honda invented an engine that emitted less pollution to begin with and eliminated the need for a converter (until much later when it didn't impact performance and was needed to meet much stricter standards). All the other manufacturers were forced to license Honda's technology while Honda could freely adopt the catalytic converter when they did. Same thing with battery cars. Fuel cells are going to crush batteries.
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Note, that the problem is infrastructure not the vehicles. Infrastructure is so much easier to integrate with hydrogen (or ammonia) than electricity it's a no-brainer that we should be going to fuel cells. Hydrogen or ammonia can be fit into existing gas stations with relative ease compared to the need for masses of battery charging stations everywhere.

It's just right now in the US, the technical illiterates of the Left both in government and media are sold on the stupidity of batteries and battery cars. That needs to change.
 
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