Reality check on electric cars

Lionfish said:
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Nice proof that you are stupid, stupid.

The average EV gets about 4 miles per KWh. (.26 KWh per mile)
https://ecocostsavings.com/electric-car-kwh-per-mile-list/

That means to go about 200 miles, they would need about 50 KWh.
If that generator is producing 350 KW per hour then then it would charge the car in about 10 minutes if it could use the full 350KW for charging.

The funny thing about that picture is that a 350KW generator is over 80" tall. Unless that car is a supersized EV, the generator in that picture is photoshopped.
https://legacy.genconnect.generac.com/Media/vwDoc.axd?d=c007e205-2881-4af4-93a0-1036994f27e2

But then a 350KW generator that is using 12 gal/hour would be only producing about 50% of its capacity. Even at that speed, the car would still charge in 20 minutes.
https://www.generatorsource.com/Diesel_Fuel_Consumption.aspx

So, you are clearly stupid, stupid, for posting such an obvious fake.
 
Into the Night said:
Semantics fallacy.
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Fallacy fallacy.

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster simply claims another person is using a fallacy without explaining why the post is a fallacy. It is usually an attempt to avoid discussing the topic.
The fallacy fallacy is used by Into the Night to pretend he is smarter than he really is.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:

Fallacy fallacy.

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster simply claims another person is using a fallacy without explaining why the post is a fallacy. It is usually an attempt to avoid discussing the topic.
The fallacy fallacy is used by Into the Night to pretend he is smarter than he really is.
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Mockery. Fallacy fallacy. Redefinition fallacy. Void argument fallacy.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Nice proof that you are stupid, stupid.

The average EV gets about 4 miles per KWh. (.26 KWh per mile)
https://ecocostsavings.com/electric-car-kwh-per-mile-list/

That means to go about 200 miles, they would need about 50 KWh.
If that generator is producing 350 KW per hour then then it would charge the car in about 10 minutes if it could use the full 350KW for charging.

The funny thing about that picture is that a 350KW generator is over 80" tall. Unless that car is a supersized EV, the generator in that picture is photoshopped.
https://legacy.genconnect.generac.com/Media/vwDoc.axd?d=c007e205-2881-4af4-93a0-1036994f27e2

But then a 350KW generator that is using 12 gal/hour would be only producing about 50% of its capacity. Even at that speed, the car would still charge in 20 minutes.
https://www.generatorsource.com/Diesel_Fuel_Consumption.aspx

So, you are clearly stupid, stupid, for posting such an obvious fake.
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https://principia-scientific.com/wh...tric-car-charging-station-a-diesel-generator/

The average electric car kWh per 100 miles (kWh/100 mi) is 34.6. This works out as 0.346kWh per mile. In other words, on average, electric cars consume 34.6kWh to travel 100 miles and 0.346kWh to travel 1 mile.

As for the generators, take it up with the aussies.
 
Into the Night said:
Mockery. Fallacy fallacy. Redefinition fallacy. Void argument fallacy.
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Fallacy fallacy.

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster (almost always Into the Night) simply claims another person is using a fallacy without explaining why the post is a fallacy. It is usually an attempt to avoid discussing the topic.
The fallacy fallacy is used by Into the Night to pretend he is smarter than he really is.
 
Into the Night said:
Mockery. Fallacy fallacy. Redefinition fallacy. Void argument fallacy.
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Fallacy fallacy.

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster (almost always Into the Night) simply claims another person is using a fallacy without explaining why the post is a fallacy. It is usually an attempt to avoid discussing the topic.
The fallacy fallacy is used by Into the Night to pretend he is smarter than he really is.
 
Lionfish said:
https://principia-scientific.com/wh...tric-car-charging-station-a-diesel-generator/

The average electric car kWh per 100 miles (kWh/100 mi) is 34.6. This works out as 0.346kWh per mile. In other words, on average, electric cars consume 34.6kWh to travel 100 miles and 0.346kWh to travel 1 mile.

As for the generators, take it up with the aussies.
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Can you do math? Even if it is .34kWh per mile it still would not require 1050kWh to travel 200 miles.


But then we can read your source and see how stupid you are, stupid.
The charger is a Tritium Veefil 50kW DC (a big fast one) and took 9 hours to charge all 10 cars and used 108L of fuel. Good for fuel.
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It's not a 350kw generator. It's a 50kw one.
It's a test site by an engineer on his own property.
It was able to charge 10 cars while only using 28 gallons of diesel.
28 gallons of diesel in 9 hours is not 12gal/hour.


https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-remote-locations-greener-than-you-think/
Not only that, but he got better gas mileage by using the generator to charge the vehicles than he would have from running the cars on diesel.

Converted to standard fuel consumption figures using the lifetime average kWh per kilometre, the BMW i3 came in as the most efficient, recording a fuel consumption rate of 4.392 litres/100km – about the same fuel efficiency as a diesel BMW 3 series.

The Tesla models, while scoring higher than the BMW i3 (between 5.011 to 6.014 L/100km for the Model S and 5.689 to 6.957 L/100km for the Model X) came significantly under similarly sized vehicles in their range (for example, a diesel Holden Commodore does 5.7 litres/100km while a VW Touareg diesel SUV does 7.2 litres/100km).
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
Can you do math? Even if it is .34kWh per mile it still would not require 1050kWh to travel 200 miles.


But then we can read your source and see how stupid you are, stupid.

It's not a 350kw generator. It's a 50kw one.
It's a test site by an engineer on his own property.
It was able to charge 10 cars while only using 28 gallons of diesel.
28 gallons of diesel in 9 hours is not 12gal/hour.


https://thedriven.io/2018/12/14/diesel-charge-evs-remote-locations-greener-than-you-think/
Not only that, but he got better gas mileage by using the generator to charge the vehicles than he would have from running the cars on diesel.
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I am not a biologist.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:

Fallacy fallacy.

The fallacy fallacy occurs when a poster (almost always Into the Night) simply claims another person is using a fallacy without explaining why the post is a fallacy. It is usually an attempt to avoid discussing the topic.
The fallacy fallacy is used by Into the Night to pretend he is smarter than he really is.
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Chanting. Bulverism. Mockery. No argument presented.
 
Stringfellow Hawk said:
REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious "If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities."

"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."

So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this deadend road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
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I pay $0.13 per kilowatt hour, I have a hard time believing anyone pays $1.16. My plug-in Hybrid takes about 10 hours for a full charge and I get about 16 miles from that charge. Most days I only travel about 10 miles a day. One day a week I drive to a regular meeting that is about 8 miles north, I can just make it to the meeting and back to my office on a full charge, on those days, I charge while I am at the office (free to me) and that afternoon I have enough charge to take my daughter to dance class and get her back home. If I do much more than my regular routine I use gas, but not much, it gets 36 MPG in hybrid mode.

I get about 4 Miles per kilowatt hour.

Doing the math I am saving $250 a month and the payment on this car is cheaper than it was on my truck.

While this type of hybrid is not economical for everyone's driving patterns, it is for mine.

BTW, it plugs into a regular outlet, if I paid for a Tesla style outlet to be installed in my house it would charge in 3 hours and take more electricity out of the grid. I am okay with the slow charge.
 
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