Reality check on electric cars
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All gasoline powered engines, and almost of diesel powered engines, use electricity. You might not have the connector yet, but if there is enough electric cars, then every tow truck would have the connector. Much like tow trucks will often carry some gasoline, they would also carry a battery constantly topped up by electricity of the tow truck.
Worth noting that if you do not have a gas tank, and are not willing to siphon gasoline, you must tow an ICE car to a gas station too.
Much like converting to cars put huge numbers of horse shoe makers out of business.
Sweet Jesus Wally, you are a genius. Why didn't Elon Musk think of that? We could just have a gasoline powered tow truck drive to the EV and connect it's generator to the disabled vehicle and wait for 12 hours while it recharges. Who woulda thunk?
Also worth noting, if I ever run out of gasoline I just push a button in the headliner and a vehicle will deliver me a gallon or two of gasoline.
Would you put 10 gallons of gasoline into a car that has run out of gasoline? No, of course not. You only need to put enough fuel into a vehicle to get it to the next refueling station.
T. A. Gardner
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Ford has just priced their Lightning pickup truck at over $100,000 (including tax).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...y-cost-increases/ar-AA10tFHC?fromMaestro=true
How insane is that?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...y-cost-increases/ar-AA10tFHC?fromMaestro=true
How insane is that?
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Getting a container for a couple of gallons of gas and putting it in is much easier than locating a generator, then the proper power cord to connect it, and getting the several gallons of gas to run it to charge you vehicle--assuming that the charge hasn't gone so low that the vehicle is bricked.
Why did you bring up 10 gallons of fuel? As far as recharging an EV, you have to get to a charging station. What is more convenient dumping in a gallon or two of gasoline and gaining another 50 miles or so or you tell me how long it would take a portable generator to give your EV enough to do the same?
The whole EV thing is stupid wally. It's a cute toy, that makes lefties feel good, but does nothing for the planet. America is not set up for 100 million EV's. Brandon as usual is doing it all ass backward.
Build the infrastructure and make sure no one anywhere is suffering brownouts, THEN start producing EVs for mass production. At this point in time, we are not even close to forcing the public into electric vehicles.
It is easier for me to plug a device into a wall electrical socket, then to go to the store, buy a gas container, go to a gas station, get the gasoline, and finally get home. So it really depends on the exact situation, and what you are prepared for.
You said that you would have to fully charge an EV to let it drive away. Well to fully refuel a ICE takes at least 10 gallons. Obviously, with both you would just want the minimum refueling to get them to a refueling location.
Refueling an electric car only requires an outlet, so they tend to be closer than gasoline stations.
That is preferable, but not required "have to". You have to get to some form of electricity, which is just about everywhere in our society.
It was not too long ago that America was not setup for 100 million ICE's. If anything, we are a lot further along than when the ICE was introduced. We already have an electrical grid that is in desperate need of an upgrade.
We are going to have to upgrade our electrical grid. That is just reality. So it really is not going to cost that much more to get ICE's... Assuming the technology works out.
Now you may say, what if they technology does not work out? We need to invest in the future, even knowing some of that investment will fail. If not, we will be left in the stone age.
Wally, you are confused again.
1. Where did I say you would have to fully recharge your EV with BTW a special inverter generator 99% of the time powered with gasoline?
2. You lose the concept of just pushing my SOS button on the headliner and someone will bring me a couple of gallons of fuel. It's called AAA.
3. An electrical outlet is closer than a gasoline station? How friggin long is the extension cord you carry in your (just guessing ) Prius?
4. This Administration is not investing in anything but solar, wind energy, and choo choo trains, a technology from the 1800's I might add.
THE BRANDON ADMINISTRATION IS ON THE WRONG TRACK.
Why are you alt lefties always so stubborn?
We are done here.
A so-called expert at a neighborhood BBQ, These MAGA maggots are a hoot. all of the above is nonsense.
I think what's amazing is the fact that one party can do the work of the oil industry. Bootlickers is the word. How controlled does a whole party have to be to share a lie as a fact. The basis for the whole party is a endless list of lies. They are controlled by the insane, heartless, fake Christian bigots Who use lies to get their way because they know how stupid their followers are, they can make them believe the most stupid facts.
T. A. Gardner
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It isn't if you keep tripping the breaker or, it takes 12 hours to get a sufficient charge. A trip to the store for a container and gas might take all of 30 minutes at most...
But if you are in the Middle-of-Nowhere--
Batteries could be charged with whatever, and grid power is rarely gasoline. If we have a hydrogen economy, I would expect most generators, or a fuel cells, to be powered with hydrogen.
More importantly, why would I specifically want an inverter generator? I would need to convert that to DC to charge the battery, which while doable makes no sense if there is already DC available. For instance, if we had an hydrogen economy, I would prefer to use a fuel cell.
SOS buttons do not require gasoline. Gasoline is a very good way to transport energy, but nowhere near the only way.
I am willing to bet that 99.9% of people reading this are closer to an electrical outlet than a gasoline station.
Prius is a hybrid, meaning that if you run out of fuel, you need a gallon of gasoline to get you to the next gas station.
The US Government invests some in just about everything, and anything, so you are completely wrong. This Administration wants to invest more in just about everything, so you are doubly wrong.
Not much call for investment in steam powered trains (choo choo trains). The concept of electric trains did first come up in the 1800's, but so did gasoline engines. Jet engines were first described 2,000 years ago.
It is important to be on as many tracks as possible, which does necessitate us being on some wrong tracks. So my primary problem with your statement is that it is not plural. I want us to be on wrong TRACKS not just one wrong track.
There is no comparable movement to the alt right on the left. There is a far left, who calls for abandonment of the mainstream left. There is a moderate left, who calls for more moderation. But no one is calling for the left to be replaced from within.
So a driver that is a block from his house, and the charging station there, would need 12 hours to get a sufficient charge to go that block? Really?
In the real world, you just refuel a car enough to get to fuel. You do not put 10 to 20 gallons of fuel in a car that has run out of gasoline, nor do you spend 12 hours refueling an electric car that only needs to go a block.
It is hard to imagine a place where you are not closer to electricity than to a gasoline station. Picture a society where every parking space has an electric charger, and we have only 1% of the current gasoline stations. How much refueling do you need to get to the next parking space? How much gasoline do you need to get to the next gasoline station if 99 out of 100 are gone?
Are maybe not. We should invest in everything, so we can come up with the best technology.
I just noticed this. How the heck do you pay so much? You are basing all your further calculations on this, but it is not reality.
In the USA, we pay between 10 and 20 cents, so basically one tenth as much. A few states pay less than 10 cents, and Hawaii pays the most, 32.76¢... which is still a quarter of what you claim.
You claim to live in a neighborhood that will blow a circuit if two people make toast at once, and pay several times a reasonable rate. I call bull.
https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/
T. A. Gardner
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It'd still take half an hour or more, and being a block from your house when you don't have a thousand feet of extension cord is the same as being on the moon. You have to charge a vehicle to a level above minimum to drive it, while dropping in a couple of gallons of gas will get you to a gas station. The problem for battery cars is that electricity isn't portable.
Live in Arizona some time.
Much of the state looks like that.
The best technology would be hydrogen or ammonia fuel cell. The fuel is portable, it can be introduced into existing infrastructure easily, and eliminates most of the problems with battery cars. But we are stuck with anti-science, progressive leftist, retards that think batteries are the solution.
The problem with batteries (portable stores of electricity) is that electricity is not portable? Really?
In the real world, you can move electricity using a battery, or a power line.
Almost anything you would put at the end of a road would require electricity, so you will find that almost all roads have electrical lines near them. Not to mention, I see obvious sources of solar power in the picture, but gasoline has to be trucked in from thousands of miles away.
A fuel cell is a form of battery.