Republicans can no longer survive democracy.

[StoneByStone]

They'll move left even more so if they have access to affordable higher education, and access to good-paying jobs in non-manufacturing fields. Medicine/health care, IT, finance, business, etc. <-- And that is why the (R)s oppose such things.

Yeah, that's why we're in kind of a cycle here. People won't become more liberal until the living standards go up, but the Republicans won't let that happen, so we need to vote them out of congress, but that won't happen until the red states are more liberal.
We basically just have to wait for the Zoomers to be voting age.

 

[StoneByStone]

So only 10% of BLMs are racists. Got it.

I said 90% of the protests are peaceful, didn't say how many of them were racist.

Trump paints all of the BLM protests as violent because he uses BLM as a dog whistle. When he says BLM are coming to ruin the suburbs, or "low income people" are coming to ruin the suburbs, he's really saying black people are coming to ruin white neighborhoods. Biden even called him out for this during one of their debates and Trump didn't deny it.

 

[StoneByStone]

Urban Whites are probably more Republican than rural Blacks

In a place like NYC, that's more likely, since it's multiracial. Liberal Whites will often vote Republican just to keep down non-white immigration.

 

[BattleofHodow]

In a place like NYC, that's more likely, since it's multiracial. Liberal Whites will often vote Republican just to keep down non-white immigration.

Right, probably half of the neighborhood I grew up in were from NYC, mostly the Bronx.

About 55% - 60% of the neighborhood voted Trump in 2016.

 

[cawacko]

They'll move left even more so if they have access to affordable higher education, and access to good-paying jobs in non-manufacturing fields. Medicine/health care, IT, finance, business, etc. <-- And that is why the (R)s oppose such things.

Honest question, how are Republicans holding back access to good paying jobs in the various non-manufacturing fields you referenced?

 

[Flash]

While Euro Americans may remain our largest ethnic group for now, they are no longer the majority. At least not for very much longer.

You are probably right, but it assumes groups will continue their same voting patters as they do today. Some of the big changes in history have occurred when realigning elections saw new issues divide a new generation of voters. Major changes in party loyalty over the years saw:

--blacks go from heavily Republican to heavy Democratic starting in 1934
--white working class going from heavily Democratic to heavily Republican
--males and females voted essentially the same and now women are more Democratic and men more Republican
--South going from one-party Democratic to one-party Republican
--NE going from Republican to Democratic
--In 1994, 39% of those with a four-year college degree identified with or leaned toward the Democratic Party and 54% associated with the Republican Party. In 2017, those figures were exactly reversed
--upper income were more Republican and now they are about evenly divided

 

[StoneByStone]

Honest question, how are Republicans holding back access to good paying jobs in the various non-manufacturing fields you referenced?

Their policies cause recessions, which is why there has been a recession under every Republican president for the last hundred years. This leads to less people being able to find work.

 

[cawacko]

Their policies cause recessions, which is why there has been a recession under every Republican president for the last hundred years. This leads to less people being able to find work.

That doesn't answer the question. We can have a 'good' economy with lots of jobs being created but that doesn't mean they are good paying jobs. What policies are holding back good paying jobs in the industries Owl listed?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Why do so many people P.O.C., some of whom risk life and limb, come to the U.S. if we are a fundamentally racist society? Is the rest of the world that bad that it's still worth coming to a country as racist as ours?

Think about that for a minute. Imagine you live in an adobe hut in the desert in a town infested with drug dealers, and want to escape for a better life with your kids? Do you think that you know a single thing about America except that "we're rich"?

My best friend in nursing school came here from Ukraine almost 20 years ago. She's since become a citizen. She was telling me about her first PT job, at Macy's, selling cosmetics. She said she was shocked to see well-dressed black women come in and shop. She said that they were told growing up that America is one of the most racist countries on Earth, that our black citizens were dirt poor, most worked menial jobs and had nothing, etc. Twenty years have gone by, and she's since modified her POV.

 

[StoneByStone]

That doesn't answer the question. We can have a 'good' economy with lots of jobs being created but that doesn't mean they are good paying jobs.

Sure, but there is a much better chance of having good paying jobs if we have a healthy economy. Medicare for All would also help raise wages.

 

[cawacko]

Think about that for a minute. Imagine you live in an adobe hut in the desert in a town infested with drug dealers, and want to escape for a better life with your kids? Do you think that you know a single thing about America except that "we're rich"?

My best friend in nursing school came here from Ukraine almost 20 years ago. She's since become a citizen. She was telling me about her first PT job, at Macy's, selling cosmetics. She said she was shocked to see well-dressed black women come in and shop. She said that they were told growing up that America is one of the most racist countries on Earth, that our black citizens were dirt poor, most worked menial jobs and had nothing, etc. Twenty years have gone by, and she's since modified her POV.

I think everyone around the world knows America has flaws but like you said I think people look at America as a land of opportunity where you have a shot at making a better a life for yourself and your family. However you (and others, not making this about just you) say America is a fundamentally racist country. (And that to me is different than saying there is racism in America.) That is the disconnect I see. How can people from across the globe view a country that is supposedly fundamentally racist also as a land of opportunity?

 

[cawacko]

Sure, but there is a much better chance of having good paying jobs if we have a healthy economy. Medicare for All would also help raise wages.

You're not addressing the question. We don't have Medicare for All so that has nothing to do with good paying jobs in the sectors listed previously. You're giving me a lazy answer (Democrats = good, Republicans = bad). What policies drive good paying jobs in those industries?

 

[StoneByStone]

You're not addressing the question. We don't have Medicare for All so that has nothing to do with good paying jobs in the sectors listed previously. You're giving me a lazy answer (Democrats = good, Republicans = bad). What policies drive good paying jobs in those industries?

You're saying I'm not addressing the question, then referencing my point about how Medicare for All would help raise wages. You just disproved your own point.

Some policies that help the economy, thus creating more jobs, including well paying jobs are: raising taxes on the rich, making it easier to afford healthcare, building more schools, regulating big business, and generally helping the working-class.

 

[MAGA MAN]

I said 90% of the protests are peaceful, didn't say how many of them were racist.

Trump paints all of the BLM protests as violent because he uses BLM as a dog whistle. When he says BLM are coming to ruin the suburbs, or "low income people" are coming to ruin the suburbs, he's really saying black people are coming to ruin white neighborhoods. Biden even called him out for this during one of their debates and Trump didn't deny it.

So 10% of them are violent. Those racist bastidges.

 

[StoneByStone]

So 10% of them are violent. Those racist bastidges.

And Trump is using those people to demonize BLM as a whole, so that they can be used as a stand-in for black people. That's part of how dog whistling works.

 

[MAGA MAN]

And Trump is using those people to demonize BLM as a whole, so that they can be used as a stand-in for black people. That's part of how dog whistling works.

Interesting conspiracy theory. Does it come with a secret decoder ring?

 

[StoneByStone]

Interesting conspiracy theory. Does it come with a secret decoder ring?

If you were going to dog whistle to White Nationalists, how would you do it?

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Immigration is the great Conservative issue everywhere, but let's stick to facts: in all our families, the people who aren't making it where they are move to where they can make more, and you need to be very lucky if you don't have to cross borders. The employers the Conservatives represent want to cheapest labour they can get, and they use it while they spout lies against immigration. The only answer, everywhere, is to teach the new groups to organise in unions, and fight. All the rest is emotional bullshit.

 

[cawacko]

You're saying I'm not addressing the question, then referencing my point about how Medicare for All would help raise wages. You just disproved your own point.

Some policies that help the economy, thus creating more jobs, including well paying jobs are: raising taxes on the rich, making it easier to afford healthcare, building more schools, regulating big business, and generally helping the working-class.

If Democrats, the country, wanted Medicare for All we would have elected Bernie Sanders so that's hardly an argument that we don't have more good paying jobs not in manufacturing fields.

How is regulating big business going to create more jobs in real estate, health care, finance etc? Build new schools? Republicans are against that? When was the last new school built in New York, S.F., L.A. or Chicago? New schools get built in fast growing (generally suburban) areas. How are Republicans holding that up?

 

[evince]

Your party is gulping the tar like dinos sinking in the la brea pits wack


You stabbed your party to death with racism