Rittenhouse… likely not guilty.

[anonymoose]

Oh, I see, so then taking a weapon from someone you consider a threat shouldn't get you shot?

Correct.

You kind of need to make up your mind.

Kyle never threatened Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum chased, then cornered him. If anything Rosenbaum was a threat to kyle by trying to wrest his weapon from him. If he succeeded what would R. have done with it? Shoot Kyle? Maybe shoot himself? He did try to commit suicide. We don't know. Neither did K.
Reasonable doubt. ASAIC there isn't even reasonable doubt. K. did what any reasonable person would do under those circumstances. I'd hope you'd do the same if some person with mental health and anger issues chased you, cornered you and tried to take your loaded weapon from you.
Totally consistent.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I disagree, but understand why you want to publicly claim so.

then I have to question whether or not you were actually a Marine.......again.........were you? are you?

As it is, I think the tide is turning against your white supremacist militia movement. All it takes is one atrocity involving your favorite, "collateral damage" and you and your friends will be hunted down like the criminal anti-Americans you are.

there we go.....displaying your racism again by throwing a race card against someone who's never uttered a negative word about people of other colors.......

sometimes you make this too easy....making you look like a dipshit

 

[SmarterthanYou]

How does that change the fact it's only video you saw backing your claims?

Again, it's the Trump assholes who want to rush to judgement here. I'm fine with placing bets and waiting for the trial. You and I can argue about the evidence and testimony when it happens.

so lets be clear about your claim here.........ABC news is a trump supporting right wing outfit just as bad as foxnews??????????

 

[LV426]

If a defendant uses an affirmative defense such as self-defense, he bears the burden of proof because he is introducing new evidence. A problem with self-defense is that he is admitting he killed the person.

Flash is right here...Rittenhouse would need to testify to convince the jury that he felt his life was threatened by a skateboard and plastic bag, which is something the prosecution would tear him apart on during cross.

The self-defense defense only works if you have a sympathetic defendant who can show remorse, and who can convince the jury that he truly feared for his life.

Just looking at the loser, I don't think Rittenhouse has the capability of convincing anyone of anything, let alone convincing 12 people that he was fearful for his life by a...skateboard and....plastic bag.

 

[LV426]

except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.

But in order to make this defense, Kyle would need to take the stand and convince the jury that he felt his life was threatened by a skateboard and plastic bag.

Do you think the jury would be persuaded by this kid:

Cause I sure don't.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Flash is right here...Rittenhouse would need to testify to convince the jury that he felt his life was threatened by a skateboard and plastic bag, which is something the prosecution would tear him apart on during cross.

The self-defense defense only works if you have a sympathetic defendant who can show remorse, and who can convince the jury that he truly feared for his life.

Just looking at the loser, I don't think Rittenhouse has the capability of convincing anyone of anything, let alone convincing 12 people that he was fearful for his life by a...skateboard and....plastic bag.

anyone who doesn't think that having a skateboard swung at your head is a threat of imminent harm or possible threat to life is too stupid to walk the streets.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

so you're another idiot that can't read and has comprehension problems............go piss up a rope

It seems whenever you have communication problems you assume the reader of your posts has comprehension problems. Perhaps the problem is not with the reader of your posts.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

It seems whenever you have communication problems you assume the reader of your posts has comprehension problems. Perhaps the problem is not with the reader of your posts.

but more likely it is the reader........

 

[Dutch Uncle]

you're hedging your bets as a leftie.

Proof you're a liar. I'm not a lefty. Now deny you support the murder of Americans as collateral damage and you support the white supremacist militias.

Dude, your tune changed a lot the week after 1/6 but you are creeping back to you original position that it's okay to murder Americans as "collateral damage".

 

[Dutch Uncle]

anyone who doesn't think that having a skateboard swung at your head is a threat of imminent harm or possible threat to life is too stupid to walk the streets.

Yes, it's a threat. The jury will have to decide if it justified deadly force...especially considering it was an active shooter situation where Kyle already fired several shots and had already killed one person.

Now explain how the skateboard justifies shooting at a reporter and another bystander.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...huber-tried-to-stop-shooter-skateboard-2020-8
We’re walking down Sheridan, ‘bang, bang,’ hear gunshots go off,” she told WISN-TV. The shooter “ran up on somebody with an assault rifle, like he was just gonna tackle dude to the ground.”

Gittings told CNN that Huber first tried to get her out of the way.

“He pushed me out of the way, like he was telling me to run off, and I tried to grab him,” she said. “I should have been there, but there was going to be no changing his mind.”

Huber then did a “heroic thing” by chasing Rittenhouse, she told CNN. A criminal complaint filed on Thursday said that Rittenhouse took off after shooting Rosenbaum, but was chased by a group of people, including Huber.

It said also that Huber’s “skateboard makes contact with the defendant’s left shoulder,” while Huber himself was “trying to pull the gun away” from Rittenhouse.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Correct. Kyle never threatened Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum chased, then cornered him. If anything Rosenbaum was a threat to kyle by trying to wrest his weapon from him. If he succeeded what would R. have done with it? Shoot Kyle? Maybe shoot himself? He did try to commit suicide. We don't know. Neither did K.
Reasonable doubt. ASAIC there isn't even reasonable doubt. K. did what any reasonable person would do under those circumstances. I'd hope you'd do the same if some person with mental health and anger issues chased you, cornered you and tried to take your loaded weapon from you.
Totally consistent.

Of course. The best way to prevent someone from taking your gun is to shoot them in the back.

The medical examiner found that Rosenbaum was shot in the groin, back and left hand.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

but more likely it is the reader........

Of course. A good communicator like yourself always fails to punctuate their sentences correctly so that the meaning is clear for any reader.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

then I have to question whether or not you were actually a Marine.

You have already questioned me so much that I doubt you served your full 4 year hitch. Did you get out on an OTH like several militia friends?

 

[LV426]

anyone who doesn't think that having a skateboard swung at your head is a threat of imminent harm

Sure, imminent harm...but not imminent DEATH.

It's the imminent DEATH that justifies self defense, which you're not going to convince anyone death is imminent from a skateboard or plastic bag.

Killing someone over getting a bruise on your head isn't justifiable self defense.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

But in order to make this defense, Kyle would need to take the stand and convince the jury that he felt his life was threatened by a skateboard and plastic bag.

Do you think the jury would be persuaded by this kid:

Cause I sure don't.

It will come down to the jury having to decide if Kyle and his white supremacist friends were hunting Americans who happened to be African-American that night.

All the racist testimony from other militia members and Facebook posts (again! Thanks Trump!) will go hard on Kyle.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

How do you know his intent was hunting down BLM protestors and "teaching them a lesson they'll never forget".
You have a link showing that? If I remember his stated intent was to protect property from arsonists, not hunt and kill. He's a stupid kid but not stupid enough to announce he was going to Kenosha to commit murder.

I'm content to let the Prosecution do that for me.

Meanwhile, I have another bet that our country will suffer a white supremacist/militia domestic terrorist attack killing innocent Americans before the 2024 election.

$5 JPP donation anyone?

 

[LV426]

anyone who doesn't think that having a skateboard swung at your head is a threat of imminent harm or possible threat to life is too stupid to walk the streets.

And also, Rittenhouse would need to testify that he felt his life was threatened by a skateboard, and he would need to convince the jury of that too...which is going to be hard to do if he doesn't take the stand.

Because the prosecution will then ask, "well, if it was clearly justifiable self-defense, how come Kyle won't testify to his state of mind that evening?"

The self-defense defense is going to sink him.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Note how Kyle used his Trump check to buy the weapon. All it takes is a conviction the reckless charges to send Kyle away until he's almost 30.

The complaint against Rittenhouse lists six charges:

• 
  [*]first-degree reckless homicide against Joseph Rosenbaum
  [*]first-degree recklessly endangering safety against Richard McGinnis (a reporter who interviewed Rittenhouse before the shooting)
  [*]first-degree intentional homicide against Anthony Huber
  [*]attempted first-degree intentional homicide against Gaige Grosskreutz
  [*]first-degree recklessly endangering safety against an unknown male victim
• possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18 (the only misdemeanor charge, the others are felonies)

Note this militia member who looks like a good witness for the prosecution:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...tually-based-says-kenosha-militia-participant
One of the militia members who joined Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin, told Hatewatch that far-right propaganda praising the 17-year-old accused murderer is harmful and said that he was not part of a “well-regulated militia.”

Ryan Balch, the Wisconsin man who Hatewatch reported was immersed in white supremacist propaganda before joining Rittenhouse in Kenosha on Aug. 25, reached out to Hatewatch by phone. He offered additional context about what happened that night, when Rittenhouse allegedly killed two people and injured another. Balch, 31, described the militia contingent that descended on the city in the midst of civil unrest there as being “small groups of friends who went together” in separate groups. He called the groups “ad hoc.” Balch also told Hatewatch that Rittenhouse lied to him that night, claiming that he was 18 years old and an EMT, both of which were untrue.

Referring to the culture war surrounding the violence that gripped Kenosha in August, Balch told Hatewatch in a phone call:

I think that the propaganda around Rittenhouse is not factually based, which I mean, it’s propaganda, so of course. But … it’s really damning [when looking at] the facts of what happened. And, I think them lionizing him is only going to hurt him down the road. It’s only going to [make] the divide bigger. Myself personally, I don’t lionize him. Rittenhouse was a kid who lied to the people he was with. Anybody who was in proximity to him, he lied to us.​

Unless that guy actually was present and observed what happened, he is unlikely to be called as a witness. The defense would not allow it. I'm not even sure that he could testify as to what Rittenhouse said beforehand, unless it clearly shows his intent to kill "looters" and "rioters." It's likely that the prosecution has plenty of social media posts and other evidence showing both intent before and what he said about it afterwards.

 

[LV426]

anyone who doesn't think that having a skateboard swung at your head is a threat of imminent harm or possible threat to life is too stupid to walk the streets.

No reasonable person would ever consider a skateboard a deadly weapon.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

And also, Rittenhouse would need to testify that he felt his life was threatened by a skateboard, and he would need to convince the jury of that too...which is going to be hard to do if he doesn't take the stand.

Because the prosecution will then ask, "well, if it was clearly justifiable self-defense, how come Kyle won't testify to his state of mind that evening?"

The self-defense defense is going to sink him.

Actually, no.

The prosecution has to show and convince the jury Rittenhouse acted maliciously and wasn't being threatened. Just showing tape of the incident where you have several men attacking Rittenhouse, one with a skateboard, another with a pistol in hand, and a third trying to stomp on him is going to be a hard sell to a reasonable jury that the kid didn't think he was going to be either beaten to a pulp, possibly have his rifle stolen, or even lose his life.

That's not to take sides here. I'm pointing out what clear video evidence shows and does so without need for commentary from the prosecution or defense. The prosecution has a very tall order on their hands to turn that around into Rittenhouse acting against others without cause.

As Owl Woman points out in the charges against him, one is for endangering an "unknown male victim." That one is going to be damn near impossible to hold up to a reasonable jury.