Sick Gun Grabbers want all gun owners insured

SmarterthanYou said:
taichi, still a moron. It is the height of stupidity to believe that the founders would write ANYTHING allowing the new federal government to control firearms after dealing with an oppressive central government that tried to take their firearms. anyone believing such stupidity needs to crawl back in their mothers basement.
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Once again, the willfully ignorant Oather/threeper STY IGNORES THE HISTORICAL FACT OF THE MILITIA ACT OF 1792 and the subsequent MILITIA ACT OF 1903. The former clarifies just how the Second Amendment is to work for the American citizen, and the later explains how the federal gov't can (and does) regulate the formal state militia which was turned into the National Guard.

Braying fools like STY REFUSE TO READ OR DISCUSS THE FOREMENTIONED LAWS, as they interfere with the supposition and conjecture laden NRA flunky fantasy. So let's watch STY and his cohorts parrot the same old dodgy, propagandistic BS, because to date neither party can provide a legislative proposal that in no uncertain terms advocated "grabbing" guns from law abiding citizens that legally owned them.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Once again, the willfully ignorant Oather/threeper STY IGNORES THE HISTORICAL FACT OF THE MILITIA ACT OF 1792 and the subsequent MILITIA ACT OF 1903. The former clarifies just how the Second Amendment is to work for the American citizen, and the later explains how the federal gov't can (and does) regulate the formal state militia which was turned into the National Guard.

Braying fools like STY REFUSE TO READ OR DISCUSS THE FOREMENTIONED LAWS, as they interfere with the supposition and conjecture laden NRA flunky fantasy. So let's watch STY and his cohorts parrot the same old dodgy, propagandistic BS, because to date neither party can provide a legislative proposal that in no uncertain terms advocated "grabbing" guns from law abiding citizens that legally owned them.
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since you seem to be constitutionally impaired, NO LAW OR ACT OF CONGRESS HAS ANY ABILITY TO MODIFY, CHANGE, OR DELETE ANY PART OF THE CONSTITUTION. you'd know this if you bothered to get past 5th grade.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
since you seem to be constitutionally impaired, NO LAW OR ACT OF CONGRESS HAS ANY ABILITY TO MODIFY, CHANGE, OR DELETE ANY PART OF THE CONSTITUTION. you'd know this if you bothered to get past 5th grade.
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And they DON'T, you jackass. The do make sure the Constitution is applied rationally and logically AND THEY CLARIFY HOW THAT GOES...CONGRESS APPROVES IT, LIKE IT APPROVES AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION. DEAL WITH IT.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And they DON'T, you jackass. The do make sure the Constitution is applied rationally and logically AND THEY CLARIFY HOW THAT GOES...CONGRESS APPROVES IT, LIKE IT APPROVES AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION. DEAL WITH IT.
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congress did not write the constitution, we the people wrote it, therefore congress has zero authority to change or modify it. ONLY WE THE PEOPLE CAN. DEAL WITH IT.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Once again you keep trying to pass of NRA paranoia, supposition and conjecture as fact. For the last 30 years or so, the NRA and it's parrot along with the weapons manufacturers pundits have been wailing propaganda of a nefarious plot to "grab" guns from Americans as a prelude to some sort of communist takeover. This was to be facilitated by UN troops using a hit list of registered gun owners.....the EXACT details as to how this would be done have always been murky at best.
Well, in my lifetime NO legislation has ever been proposed in Congress or the Senate to confiscate legally owned weapons from law abiding citizens. That is NOT gun control. Gun control is NOT having any yahoo roaming the streets with a concealed weapon, much less crossing any state border with said weapon. Gun control is NOT having any schmuck with a driver's license and cash buy any type of weapon they want with no questions asked.

To date, you've provided NOTHING that validates your use of the term "gun grabbers" in your subject title. And again, I ask what is it about a background check that scares you so much? Scared you might not pass?
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Taichi, You do not need to carry a conceiled weapon if you don't want to, but in a couple months, I'm going to Mesa AZ, and I will be legally packing my big 9. I will legally hide it, but of course I may carry it around exposed, and its all legal
...capisce
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And they DON'T, you jackass. The do make sure the Constitution is applied rationally and logically AND THEY CLARIFY HOW THAT GOES...CONGRESS APPROVES IT, LIKE IT APPROVES AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION. DEAL WITH IT.
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congress did not write the constitution, we the people wrote it, therefore congress has zero authority to change or modify it. ONLY WE THE PEOPLE CAN. DEAL WITH IT.
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Please READ the Constitution, then research about Congress and the creation of laws WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. Then read up on how AMENDMENTS to the Constitution come about....or you can continue to act stupid and bray this willfully ignorant drivel, upon which I will embarass you with actual links/posts from the Constitution that make a fool of your assertions here.

So far, you keep inserting assinine contentions that I NEVER proposed or asserted. You do this to avoid the FACT that the Second Amendment starts of with "A well regulated Militia....." and that the Militia Act of 1792 clarifies and specifies just how that Amendment is to implemented. Nothing there about a law superceding the Constitution, or whatever else such nonsense you keep blathering about.

Bottom line: idiots like you keep trying to supplant the Constitution and Constitutional law with your ideological wish list of what YOU want....and in light of the information that you are too much of an intellectual coward to discuss, you fail every time. But do continue to parrot your silliness ad nauseum.....makes my case clearer with each post.
 
SJJRSJJS said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Once again you keep trying to pass of NRA paranoia, supposition and conjecture as fact. For the last 30 years or so, the NRA and it's parrot along with the weapons manufacturers pundits have been wailing propaganda of a nefarious plot to "grab" guns from Americans as a prelude to some sort of communist takeover. This was to be facilitated by UN troops using a hit list of registered gun owners.....the EXACT details as to how this would be done have always been murky at best.
Well, in my lifetime NO legislation has ever been proposed in Congress or the Senate to confiscate legally owned weapons from law abiding citizens. That is NOT gun control. Gun control is NOT having any yahoo roaming the streets with a concealed weapon, much less crossing any state border with said weapon. Gun control is NOT having any schmuck with a driver's license and cash buy any type of weapon they want with no questions asked.

To date, you've provided NOTHING that validates your use of the term "gun grabbers" in your subject title. And again, I ask what is it about a background check that scares you so much? Scared you might not pass?
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Taichi, You do not need to carry a conceiled weapon if you don't want to, but in a couple months, I'm going to Mesa AZ, and I will be legally packing my big 9. I will legally hide it, but of course I may carry it around exposed, and its all legal
...capisce
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And your point? Because NOTHING you said here changes the FACTS regarding the Second Amendment and the Militia Acts of 1792 and 1903.

Like I said before, NRA flunkies like you have been for YEARS operating on the premise that since the Constitution DOESN'T state that an individual citizen cannot have a gun, then that magically means all citizens are entitled to one.

But the facts disprove that contention...and if folk like you are truly Constitutionalist, then you would abide by it and the laws derived from it. But as displayed here, you want to live by your INTERPRETATION and NOT by what is actually on the books.

To get a CCWP, you have to pass a background check.....so what's the big deal about making that mandatory for all transactions of firearms?

To date YOU cannot provide one piece of proposed legislation that tried to "grab" guns from legal gun owners....and as I demonstrated, what Sen. Feinstein wished for and what was actually proposed are two entirely different things.

Deal with it....or in your case, don't...because facts don't lie.
 
Howey said:
So you have a problem with Feinstein exercising her 1st Amendment rights?

She's not entitled to her opinion?

Note: She said she wouldn't propose it. Get over it.
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I mean, the woman states she didn't bring it to the floor because she KNEW she wouldn't have the votes. Gunners seem to have a hard time understanding the difference between wish list and what's actually put on the table.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Please READ the Constitution, then research about Congress and the creation of laws WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. Then read up on how AMENDMENTS to the Constitution come about....or you can continue to act stupid and bray this willfully ignorant drivel, upon which I will embarass you with actual links/posts from the Constitution that make a fool of your assertions here.

So far, you keep inserting assinine contentions that I NEVER proposed or asserted. You do this to avoid the FACT that the Second Amendment starts of with "A well regulated Militia....." and that the Militia Act of 1792 clarifies and specifies just how that Amendment is to implemented. Nothing there about a law superceding the Constitution, or whatever else such nonsense you keep blathering about.

Bottom line: idiots like you keep trying to supplant the Constitution and Constitutional law with your ideological wish list of what YOU want....and in light of the information that you are too much of an intellectual coward to discuss, you fail every time. But do continue to parrot your silliness ad nauseum.....makes my case clearer with each post.
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you're a damn retard who THINKS they know the constitution. I've shredded you each and every time and you damned well know it. not even the chronology of your posts can contest that.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Please READ the Constitution, then research about Congress and the creation of laws WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. Then read up on how AMENDMENTS to the Constitution come about....or you can continue to act stupid and bray this willfully ignorant drivel, upon which I will embarass you with actual links/posts from the Constitution that make a fool of your assertions here.

So far, you keep inserting assinine contentions that I NEVER proposed or asserted. You do this to avoid the FACT that the Second Amendment starts of with "A well regulated Militia....." and that the Militia Act of 1792 clarifies and specifies just how that Amendment is to implemented. Nothing there about a law superceding the Constitution, or whatever else such nonsense you keep blathering about.

Bottom line: idiots like you keep trying to supplant the Constitution and Constitutional law with your ideological wish list of what YOU want....and in light of the information that you are too much of an intellectual coward to discuss, you fail every time. But do continue to parrot your silliness ad nauseum.....makes my case clearer with each post.
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you're a damn retard who THINKS they know the constitution. I've shredded you each and every time and you damned well know it. not even the chronology of your posts can contest that.
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No stupid, you just keep repeating your OPINION, which cannot alter historical FACTS, as I've pointed out again and again.

Stop being such an intellectual coward and DEAL with the information given. Discuss that, NOT your opinion.
 
Taichiliberal said:
No stupid, you just keep repeating your OPINION, which cannot alter historical FACTS, as I've pointed out again and again.

Stop being such an intellectual coward and DEAL with the information given. Discuss that, NOT your opinion.
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your 'facts' are nothing more than your wishful thinking. the militia acts CAN NOT ALTER THE CONSTITUTION, nor can congress REDEFINE A SINGLE TERM in the constitution. congress did not write the constitution, therefore they have no power or authority to alter or change it.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
No stupid, you just keep repeating your OPINION, which cannot alter historical FACTS, as I've pointed out again and again. Stop being such an intellectual coward and DEAL with the information given. Discuss that, NOT your opinion.
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your 'facts' are nothing more than your wishful thinking. the militia acts CAN NOT ALTER THE CONSTITUTION, nor can congress REDEFINE A SINGLE TERM in the constitution. congress did not write the constitution, therefore they have no power or authority to alter or change it.
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Please READ the Constitution, then research about Congress and the creation of laws WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. Then read up on how AMENDMENTS to the Constitution come about....or you can continue to act stupid and bray this willfully ignorant drivel, upon which I will embarrass you with actual links/posts from the Constitution that make a fool of your assertions here.

So far, you keep inserting absurd contentions that I NEVER proposed or asserted. You do this to avoid the FACT that the Second Amendment starts off with "A well regulated Militia....." and that the Militia Act of 1792 clarifies and specifies just how that Amendment is to implemented. Nothing there about a law superceding/repealing/usuruping the Constitution, or whatever else such nonsense you keep blathering about.

Bottom line: idiots like you keep trying to supplant the Constitution and Constitutional law with your ideological wish list of what YOU want....and in light of the information that you are too much of an intellectual coward to discuss, you fail every time. But do continue to parrot your silliness ad nauseum.....makes my case clearer with each post.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
Once again you keep trying to pass of NRA paranoia, supposition and conjecture as fact. For the last 30 years or so, the NRA and it's parrot along with the weapons manufacturers pundits have been wailing propaganda of a nefarious plot to "grab" guns from Americans as a prelude to some sort of communist takeover. This was to be facilitated by UN troops using a hit list of registered gun owners.....the EXACT details as to how this would be done have always been murky at best.

Well, in my lifetime NO legislation has ever been proposed in Congress or the Senate to confiscate legally owned weapons from law abiding citizens. That is NOT gun control. Gun control is NOT having any yahoo roaming the streets with a concealed weapon, much less crossing any state border with said weapon. Gun control is NOT having any schmuck with a driver's license and cash buy any type of weapon they want with no questions asked.

To date, you've provided NOTHING that validates your use of the term "gun grabbers" in your subject title. And again, I ask what is it about a background check that scares you so much? Scared you might not pass?
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The gun grabbing agenda is all layed out in the Commie Manifesto, all in graffic detail......
 
Taichiliberal said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Please READ the Constitution, then research about Congress and the creation of laws WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. Then read up on how AMENDMENTS to the Constitution come about....or you can continue to act stupid and bray this willfully ignorant drivel, upon which I will embarrass you with actual links/posts from the Constitution that make a fool of your assertions here.

So far, you keep inserting absurd contentions that I NEVER proposed or asserted. You do this to avoid the FACT that the Second Amendment starts off with "A well regulated Militia....." and that the Militia Act of 1792 clarifies and specifies just how that Amendment is to implemented. Nothing there about a law superceding/repealing/usuruping the Constitution, or whatever else such nonsense you keep blathering about.

Bottom line: idiots like you keep trying to supplant the Constitution and Constitutional law with your ideological wish list of what YOU want....and in light of the information that you are too much of an intellectual coward to discuss, you fail every time. But do continue to parrot your silliness ad nauseum.....makes my case clearer with each post.
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you're being too stupid to take seriously anymore. you're making shit up and hoping people believe it.
 
SJJRSJJS said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Once again you keep trying to pass of NRA paranoia, supposition and conjecture as fact. For the last 30 years or so, the NRA and it's parrot along with the weapons manufacturers pundits have been wailing propaganda of a nefarious plot to "grab" guns from Americans as a prelude to some sort of communist takeover. This was to be facilitated by UN troops using a hit list of registered gun owners.....the EXACT details as to how this would be done have always been murky at best.

Well, in my lifetime NO legislation has ever been proposed in Congress or the Senate to confiscate legally owned weapons from law abiding citizens. That is NOT gun control. Gun control is NOT having any yahoo roaming the streets with a concealed weapon, much less crossing any state border with said weapon. Gun control is NOT having any schmuck with a driver's license and cash buy any type of weapon they want with no questions asked.

To date, you've provided NOTHING that validates your use of the term "gun grabbers" in your subject title. And again, I ask what is it about a background check that scares you so much? Scared you might not pass?
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The gun grabbing agenda is all layed out in the Commie Manifesto, all in graffic detail......
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See folks, when you corner these NRA flunkies and ask for specifics, then just blow smoke.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Please READ the Constitution, then research about Congress and the creation of laws WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. Then read up on how AMENDMENTS to the Constitution come about....or you can continue to act stupid and bray this willfully ignorant drivel, upon which I will embarrass you with actual links/posts from the Constitution that make a fool of your assertions here.

So far, you keep inserting absurd contentions that I NEVER proposed or asserted. You do this to avoid the FACT that the Second Amendment starts off with "A well regulated Militia....." and that the Militia Act of 1792 clarifies and specifies just how that Amendment is to implemented. Nothing there about a law superceding/repealing/usuruping the Constitution, or whatever else such nonsense you keep blathering about.

Bottom line: idiots like you keep trying to supplant the Constitution and Constitutional law with your ideological wish list of what YOU want....and in light of the information that you are too much of an intellectual coward to discuss, you fail every time. But do continue to parrot your silliness ad nauseum.....makes my case clearer with each post.
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you're being too stupid to take seriously anymore. you're making shit up and hoping people believe it.
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See folks, when you corner these NRA flunkies with historical FACTS, they just blow smoke....only a complete idiot like STY would accuse someone of "making up" the Militia Act of 1792!

When I've reduced STY to babbling nonsense like he has here, my work is done and I won't waste another post indulging his oft repeated nonsense and absurd accusations.
 
While many Americans are at least familiar with the words to the Second Amendment, fewer are aware of the Constitutional purpose of the militia, defined in Article. 1. Section.8., “to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.” Of those who are familiar, those who disparage an individual right to keep and bear arms are quick to point out that we now have the National Guard. This is a false argument, as it disingenuously evades the inconvenient truth that, as the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the United States Senate Ninety-Seventh Congress noted, “that Congress has established the present National Guard under its power to raise armies, expressly stating that it was not doing so under its power to organize and arm the militia.”

The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.
http://www.constitution.org/mil/rkba1982.htm
 
Just read the gun grabbers anonymous report!
Year to date we have grabbed 4 guns.
A muzzle loader, a bb gun, a colt, and a rusty old shot gun.
50 million to go!
 
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