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Who has run the legislature for the vast majority of the past 3+ decades?
Arnold was hardly conservative.
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Who has run the legislature for the vast majority of the past 3+ decades?
Arnold was hardly conservative.
Clearly.
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[TD="class: post_headline"][h=2]Romneycare Totally Works[/h][h=3]Universal health care is actually starting to save money in Massachusetts.
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BY Patrick Doyle POSTED ON 2/27/2012
(Photo via ThinkStock.)Over 95 percent of the state’s residents are insured. It’s also popular. A February poll found that 62 percent approved of the law, and only 33 percent disapproved.
Wow: people like having health care! But what about those skyrocketing costs? Fred Bauer, of the Huffington Post, pulled some numbers:
From 2006 to 2010, employer-sponsored health-care premiums for a family rose about 19% in Massachusetts, while they rose about 22% in the U.S. as a whole. Compare that to the period between 2002 and 2006, when Bay State family premiums increased 40% and US family premiums rose only 34.5%. Family premiums went from growing faster than the national average to growing slower than it.
Well, that seems encouraging — costs aren’t increasing as much as they were before. And it can’t be just the recession, seeing that the United States as a whole rose more than the Bay State. How is this happening? Dr. Ralph de la Torre, the CEO of Steward Healthcare, weighed in just the other day, arguing that efficiency from integrated IT systems and “right-siting” are producing enormous savings. Here’s Dr. de la Torre on right-siting, a term with which I wasn’t familiar:
If a patient seeking specialized attention at an expensive academic research center can be treated just as effectively at a hospital near his or her home or office, why send that patient to a premium center? If treatment is available at the doctor’s office, this may be even safer, cheaper, and more efficient. And if care can be delivered at the patient’s home, even better. Each step down to the next rung I have just described yields cost savings of about 20 percent.
Twenty percent savings is an amazing feat in any industry, let alone health care. But it’s tough to get an entire community to go along with right-siting without universal health care. Otherwise, you have uninsured patients taking up costly time in the ER for strep throat and the flu, when they really just need a quick visit to a regular physician’s office.
Dr. de la Torre added more:
http://blogs.bostonmagazine.com/boston_daily/2012/02/27/romneycare-totally-works/
Link it, christiecommunist. I'm not in the mood for a cyber goose chase.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I'll link this one time because you're an idiot and I want to see you squirm. But call me names and demand something again, and your post will be ignored.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Great! Then a few more months wouldn't have killed them. Problem is, a good healthcare bill isn't in this administration -- it was destined to be a piece of shit.
Thanks to Republican obstructionism, it was destined to be a piece of shit.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
So you don't like it when people assign blame...
Then you blame Democrats...incredible.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
I was merely pointing out to WB that the level he worried we might one day sink to had been arrived at a looooooooooong ago.
j-mac
Verified User
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[TD="class: post_headline"][h=2]Romneycare Totally Works[/h][h=3]Universal health care is actually starting to save money in Massachusetts.
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BY Patrick Doyle POSTED ON 2/27/2012
The last few days have seen a rash of stories about how Romneycare is — gasp — working in Massachusetts! The Washington Post‘s Ezra Klein posted a column this morning on the topic:
Over 95 percent of the state’s residents are insured. It’s also popular. A February poll found that 62 percent approved of the law, and only 33 percent disapproved.Wow: people like having health care! But what about those skyrocketing costs? Fred Bauer, of the Huffington Post, pulled some numbers:
From 2006 to 2010, employer-sponsored health-care premiums for a family rose about 19% in Massachusetts, while they rose about 22% in the U.S. as a whole. Compare that to the period between 2002 and 2006, when Bay State family premiums increased 40% and US family premiums rose only 34.5%. Family premiums went from growing faster than the national average to growing slower than it.Well, that seems encouraging — costs aren’t increasing as much as they were before. And it can’t be just the recession, seeing that the United States as a whole rose more than the Bay State. How is this happening? Dr. Ralph de la Torre, the CEO of Steward Healthcare, weighed in just the other day, arguing that efficiency from integrated IT systems and “right-siting” are producing enormous savings. Here’s Dr. de la Torre on right-siting, a term with which I wasn’t familiar:
If a patient seeking specialized attention at an expensive academic research center can be treated just as effectively at a hospital near his or her home or office, why send that patient to a premium center? If treatment is available at the doctor’s office, this may be even safer, cheaper, and more efficient. And if care can be delivered at the patient’s home, even better. Each step down to the next rung I have just described yields cost savings of about 20 percent.Twenty percent savings is an amazing feat in any industry, let alone health care. But it’s tough to get an entire community to go along with right-siting without universal health care. Otherwise, you have uninsured patients taking up costly time in the ER for strep throat and the flu, when they really just need a quick visit to a regular physician’s office.
Dr. de la Torre added more:
http://blogs.bostonmagazine.com/boston_daily/2012/02/27/romneycare-totally-works/
So they can save money by getting "less than premium care"....great! Kinda proves our point about quasi socialist medicine doesn't it....
j-mac
Verified User
OMG! are you kidding? Who is in charge? Surely not the ATM's fault....
That's silly, and you're silly.
All your hackery does is prevent an honest conversation regarding any issue. If something is accountable, something is accountable, period.
j-mac
Verified User
Ok, is a President accountable for his term? or not? That's not silly, dodging that responsibility is.
Your memory is a piece of shit. The Democrats controlled all three branches when this obamination was spawned and unleashed on a weary America.
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apple0154
MEOW
Not at all. It is using common sense. Do we want someone with heartburn taking up the time of a heart specialist? A person who has a benign mole taking up the time of a cancer specialist?
Everyone makes mistakes, CCCP. The point is, The HF has since pulled its head out of its ass and is back on track:
"Taranto isn’t completely buying it: 'From the Butler quote above, it seems to us that the brief overstates the extent to which the proposed Heritage mandate was ‘limited' he writes. 'But it is clear that Heritage has repudiated the idea of an individual mandate… All these years later, it pleases us that our erstwhile employer has come around.”
So, how about you follow suit by pulling your head out of your (P)ass(t) and start living in the Now?
You are sinking back and adding people who didn't do it.
Seriously, you don't want to go this route again. You need to let this go, and now.
j-mac
Verified User
No, obviously we want the person dismissing their chest pain as heartburn, and dropping dead of a heart attack at 50. And no, we want people to now not pay attention to possible cancer....Are you serious?
canceled.2021.1
#AMERICAISDEAD
ahhh, the venerable leftist Ezra Klein. He left out a few things, so allow me to fill in the blanks.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/05/09/romneycare-more-er-crowding-longer-doctor-wait-times/
Damn, there goes that supply and demand thing fucking up the supposed good deed of the Demalquedacrats. Here is a head scratcher for ya. If OWEbummercare is such a wonderful thing, why did he throw out so many exemptions to his favored constituencies?
Thanks for playing and have a great day!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/05/09/romneycare-more-er-crowding-longer-doctor-wait-times/
Damn, there goes that supply and demand thing fucking up the supposed good deed of the Demalquedacrats. Here is a head scratcher for ya. If OWEbummercare is such a wonderful thing, why did he throw out so many exemptions to his favored constituencies?
Thanks for playing and have a great day!
It boggles the mind that a. People who purport to be intelligent still don't understand the workings of the filibuster. Especially today's extreme use of it by the republicans, and b. The absolute ignorance of the same ppl who don't understand the (lost) art of compromise in Congress. Obama and the dems watered down the bill to such an extent it barely resembles what he wanted.
I'd wager a good 50% (progressives) of those polled as disliking Obamacare aren't disliking it because it exists, but rather because it truly lacks everything it needs to be effective, such as a single payor system.
canceled.2021.1
#AMERICAISDEAD
aaahhh, the same old liberal memes. How cute. It is funny that Demalquedacrats weren't opposed to the filibuster when they were using it to block Bush judges. But, hey, that is ancient history right? Remember the left wingers in the Senate saying that the House was the cup and the Senate was the saucer? The Senate was there to cool down the hot headed House? Remember that? Oh yeah, you probably forget.
I love to hear demalquedacrats talk about "compromise" as if they are really compromising. It is always the same old game to them. They always ask for the whole enchilada in growing the federal gobblement. The GOP of the past would squewk a little bit, then only grow gobblement a little bit. The whole time, the federal gobblement is growing. That is how demalquedacrats define compromise. It is with the GOP caving on their principles. It is never the demalquedacrats caving on their principles.
Your little missive about the left wingers not getting what they wanted with this healthcare law falls flat because unless you are complete blooming idiot, you know that this monstrosity of a bill was designed to move us toward single payor. It was designed with the express purpose of collapsing the current system and leaving the poor uneducated masses with the conclusion that single payor is the only way to go.
Sorry, but you should try peddling your bullshit somewhere else. I ain't buying it