Some questions for our leftist friends at JPP.
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Robo
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Actually I made no premises. I simply ask some questions all but one of them you have avoided. I determine by your response that you have a very, very high level of trust in our federal government to operate a single payer health insurance system, correct?
Can you or will you explain how they plan to do that without any regulations? Do you believe the feds will just let the HEALTH-care system operate all by itself and just pay whatever bills the system presents to the insurance bureaucracy?
Yes.
A single payer renders private insurance moot, since all an insurer does is administration.
It would cost about $30T over ten years, and it is funded by payroll taxes and shifting what is spent on private insurance to the single payer's books.
Basically, what we already spend on health care is at least $1T more right now than what we would spend in single payer; that's according to the Koch Bros own study that said Sanders' M4A proposal would save at least $1T in health care costs over a decade.
So your own Conservative donors conclude that single payer will be cheaper if it replaced the current system.
LIE and LAME. Medicare doesn't work. It is nearly bankrupt and seniors on the plan are told they should get supple,mental insurance for better coverage. The only reason it exists is that everyone is FORCED onto it at age 65 you moron.
LIE and LAME. The Government determines the shortages and massive taxation the poor dumb gullible dupes in these systems have to deal with.
Ironic form a clueless, dishonest, lying twat who never tells the TRUTH.
His position on health insurance is cognitive dissonance:
He invokes the 10th Amendment, oblivious to the fact that states already regulate their insurance markets their own way, and says that out-of-state insurers should be allowed to sell plans in-state and not abide by that state's regulations. Bu the only way that can happen is federal legislation that allows insurance plans from out of state to overrule in-state regulations.
So he's got both an anti-10th Amendment and pro-10th Amendment position in the same overall position.
He just hasn't put much thought into this.
Also, he's old and on Medicare.
Of course you do. You're a low IQ, gullible dullard who wants Government to do everything for you even if it means whining about how miserable Obamacare is while defending it.
You lack the basic IQ it would take to comprehend the irony of leftist talking points.
Yep, in liberal dumbfuck land, where you wallow, Obamacare is so great, you morons are now clamoring for Single Payer. Moron.
Yes you did.
You said that single payer is government control of health care.
That's not true. It's false.
I directly quoted and answered every one of your fucking questions.
You just didn't get the answers you wanted because you don't fully grasp this subject.
Seems to work fine for Medicare, so yes.
What are you talking about? What regulations to serve what end?
You need to be more coherent and articulate.
In a single payer system, there are no private insurers.
What about that is so hard for you to grasp?
Robo
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What if the government wants more than 8%? Have you seen any numerical breakdown by a trusted accounting firm or study that confirms your 8% number as doing the trick?
Have you ever searched for any opposing views and numbers to Bernie's plan? I do believe it's been debunked as heresy.
I think the Koch brother's see a single payer system of healthcare as a boom for their many, many industries as it would
relieve them from providing employer sponsored and funded health insurance for their workers and thereby save them millions of $'s. The Koch Brothers can get private doctors for their personal care, why else would they even be interested in their employees healthcare?
So now you're moving the bar because you didn't get the answer you wanted.
So you're forced to go to "if" and hypotheticals because this discussion isn't going the way you hoped.
You asked what I'd be willing to pay and I told you. Clearly, it makes you upset to see someone challenge your inherent bias.
Grow tougher skin.
In other words, the Government is in charge of your healthcare and makes the decisions. Yet earlier in the post, you claimed it would be the Private market. Dunce.
LIE and LAME.
Who’s paying the true cost of Medicare
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/column-whos-paying-the-true-cost-of-medicare
Choking On The Cost Of 'Medicare For All
'The United States can barely afford its existing healthcare obligations. In 2017, the federal government spent more than $700 billion on Medicare -- a 65% increase over just 10 years. Annual costs per capita are expected to increase 4.6% per year over the next decade. And the latest Medicare Trustees report, released in June, reported that the Part A Trust Fund, which covers payment for hospital care, will be depleted in 2026. That's three years earlier than previous projections. At that point, workers' payroll taxes earmarked for Medicare will no longer cover the program's costs.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...on-the-cost-of-medicare-for-all/#7371a89656f3
LIE and LAME.
So because a specious report was paid for by the Koch brothers, you now like them.
OOOOPS!!!
The Mercatus report’s author took issue with Sanders’ focus on that figure.
Charles Blahous said that to come up with that estimate, Mercatus used a relatively generous assumption about how well Sanders’ plan will end up controlling health care costs. It assumes that provider payment will be reduced to Medicare levels, that negotiation with prescription drugmakers will generate significant savings, and that administrative costs will be cut from 13 to 6 percent.
However, in an alternative scenario in which cost-control works less effectively (see Table 4) Mercatus found that over the same 10-year period, national health expenditures would actually increase by $3.252 trillion compared to current law.
So while the number Sanders chose really does appear in the report, he’s cherry-picked the more flattering of two estimates.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...nservative-study-show-big-savings-bernie-san/
It is true; but because you are a dishonest lying dumb fuck, you can't comprehend the OBVIOUS.
Heresy? Like heresy against the church?
This is the problem with Conservatives; they posture on message boards because they're ultimately big fucking idiots.
Do you mean "heresay"? How is Bernie's plan "hearsay"? Your Koch Bros did a study that shows Sanders' plan would save us $1T. It's right here, moron: https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/blahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf
What's hearsay is your claim that his plan has been "debunked" when it has been confirmed by the Koch Bros' Mercatus Center.
Medicare isn't working fine you lying dumb fuck.