Some questions for our leftist friends at JPP.

[LV426]

Wait times are seriously long now in single payer countries and those countries have a fraction of the population America ha

No they're not. They're not longer than here. Also, what is the wait time for someone without insurance?

 

[LV426]

How many doctors, doctor’s offices, hospitals and emergency rooms have you determined it will take to deliver reasonable wait times to an American population of 300-400 million people?

We already have a universal access system because of the Reagan reform that mandated emergency rooms have to accept patients.

So not much changes if everyone has single payer since the system currently allows for anyone to access care at the ER.

 

[LV426]

Well my friend have you considered that America already has a doctor shortage?

Maybe the solution there is to increase community health clinics staffed by RN's who can administer treatment so that doctors can focus on more urgent and complicated health needs.

 

[Robo]

You pay a flat payroll tax on 100% of your income.

So then you’ll admitthat as a percentage system single payer is really another redistribution program that punishes the successful and rewards the lesser successful with “dollar amounts cost, right?

Sanders' proposal was a 4% payroll tax that replaces premiums, deductibles, the current Medicare tax, and copays.

The average income in the country is $53K.
Workers spend an average amount of $5K in premiums and $1,500 in deductibles for employer-provided plans.

So using math...we see that Sanders' payroll tax proposal would save most workers money on health care costs:

How much does Sanders plan save for the most and more successful among us? Do you even consider that or care?

How do you propose to convince the millions of Americans that it's a good idea to give up their private health insurance partly financed by their employer?

 

[Robo]

Your doctors decide in a single payer plan.

Right now, an insurance company executive decides that.

Right now we can shop around for a CHOICE of insurance providers and we'd have even more CHOICES without federal regulation legislation created by the BIG insurers and put into law by the bought politicians in the swamp. With single payer our choice is "ONE!"

 

[RB 60]

So then you’ll admitthat as a percentage system single payer is really another redistribution program that punishes the successful and rewards the lesser successful with “dollar amounts cost, right?



How much does Sanders plan save for the most and more successful among us? Do you even consider that or care?

How do you propose to convince the millions of Americans that it's a good idea to give up their private health insurance partly financed by their employer?

He doesn't pay taxes or for insurance. Yet here he is whining about it.

 

[LV426]

So then you’ll admitthat as a percentage system single payer is really another redistribution program that punishes the successful and rewards the lesser successful with “dollar amounts cost, right?

Everyone needs health care at some point in their lives.

You pay payroll taxes on 100% of your income for Medicare.

 

[LV426]

How much does Sanders plan save for the most and more successful among us? Do you even consider that or care?

It depends what you define as "most and more successful".

I notice you use a lot of vagueness and ambiguity when you post.

That's because you're not really informed on this topic enough to have a coherent and articulate position.

 

[LV426]

How do you propose to convince the millions of Americans that it's a good idea to give up their private health insurance partly financed by their employer?

Because the employer can take the savings from no longer having to provide benefits to increase your wage.

Right now, employers use benefits in a combination with your wage. Removing that burden frees up more revenues for your employer to increase your income.

 

[Robo]

Medicare works .. and has for a long time.. That's what single payer /private delivery looks like. The government doesn't make medical decisions... Insurance carriers do.

Can't you face being wrong?

Less than 1/3rd of the population is on Medicare now and they're severely limited to CHOICES in their care unless they buy ADVANTAGE coverage from a private insurer as a secondary coverage. Medicare for all single payer would overwhelm the system and the doctor shortage would reach emergency catastrophe level.

Most every single payer system on earth is converting to what is already a fact in America, a Medicare Advantage program.

 

[Robo]

So your solution is to deny people access to doctors because you're afraid your access might be affected if they are given access?

YES! An overwhelmed system serves NOBODY well!!!!!

NOBODY is DENIED health CARE in America! All anybody has to do is walk or be carried into any hospital emergency ward.

 

[LV426]

Right now we can shop around for a CHOICE of insurance providers

But not a choice of doctors.

Your insurer limits your choice of what doctors you can see.

Don't you like to choose what doctor you want to go to?

Why would you prefer a system where you choose an insurer who limits your choice to one where your choice of doctor isn't limited? Don't understand your position.

 

[kudzu]

Less than 1/3rd of the population is on Medicare now and they're severely limited to CHOICES in their care unless they buy ADVANTAGE coverage from a private insurer as a secondary coverage. Medicare for all single payer would overwhelm the system and the doctor shortage would reach emergency catastrophe level.

Most every single payer system on earth is converting to what is already a fact in America, a Medicare Advantage program.

No we aren't...…..

 

[LV426]

without federal regulation legislation created by the BIG insurers and put into law by the bought politicians in the swamp.

In a single payer system there are no private insurers, so there are no insurer lobbyists involved in the crafting of the bill.

Why is that so hard to understand?

With single payer our choice is "ONE!"

The choice is who reimburses your doctor after they treat you. It's not something germane to your health care. It's a part of the process that happens after you receive care.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. Probably because you're severely misinformed about health insurance.

 

[LV426]

He doesn't pay taxes or for insurance. Yet here he is whining about it.

You can only make assumptions of me because your arguments suck ass.

 

[LV426]

Less than 1/3rd of the population is on Medicare now

Medicare is the single largest insurer in the country at 65,000,000 people.

and they're severely limited to CHOICES in their care unless they buy ADVANTAGE coverage from a private insurer as a secondary coverage.

Right, and single payer will eliminate that.

Medicare for all single payer would overwhelm the system and the doctor shortage would reach emergency catastrophe level.

Nonsense. M4A will improve outcomes instead of treating symptoms, so overall net medical use will decline.

Most every single payer system on earth is converting to what is already a fact in America, a Medicare Advantage program.

No they're not. This is a lie.

 

[Robo]

Well, thanks to Reagan, you can go to an ER doctor now. So those who aren't covered already have access to doctors.

Also, a single payer focused on outcomes instead of symptoms will have the net effect of less medical use, not more.

Well friend I think the only thing that will keep the common colds and ass boils and hangnails out of every doctor's office when the poo folk find out it's free will be the standing room only and all day and half of the night waiting time you'll experience getting to see a doctor. The "less care" usage is a self fulfilling prophesy!!!

 

[LV426]

YES! An overwhelmed system serves NOBODY well!

Well, we could always just cut medical care for people over 65 since they're the biggest users of health care and incur the most costs.

So great.

I'm all for denying your 83-year old ass medical care.

NOBODY is DENIED health CARE in America! All anybody has to do is walk or be carried into any hospital emergency ward.

Right, but who pays for it if the patient cannot?

 

[Robo]

We already have a universal access system because of the Reagan reform that mandated emergency rooms have to accept patients.

So not much changes if everyone has single payer since the system currently allows for anyone to access care at the ER.

So what's your problem?????

 

[LV426]

Well friend I think the only thing that will keep the common colds and ass boils and hangnails out of every doctor's office when the poo folk find out it's free will be the standing room only and all day and half of the night waiting time you'll experience getting to see a doctor

So how would the system be burdened more if these simple medical checkups and treatments can be done by RN's?

You don't need to see a doctor for a hangnail, but you can see an RN.

he "less care" usage is a self fulfilling prophesy!!!

Exactly. By improving outcomes instead of treating symptoms, overall net health care usage would be less.