Someone needs to explain this

[Into the Night]

Admit that a real democracy is duty bound to run elections that reasonable people know are real election because there is no reasonable doubt that the quantity of fraud is below the margin of victory.

Admit the fundamental theorem of statistics: The ratios of the sample are representative of the ratios of the whole population. In other words admit that just because you can only prove 10 ballots are fraudulent does not mean that only 10 ballots are fraudulent. Instead admit that it means there is a mechanism for fraudulent ballots to be added to the pile and statistical analysis is required to get anything resembling a ballpark on the actual amount of fraud.

Math errors: Failure to declare dataset. Failure to select by randN. Failure to declare and justify variance. Failure to declare boundary.

 

[Into the Night]

Admit that a real democracy

The United States is not and never was a democracy.

 

[Into the Night]

That's a lot of stuff to admit, and pretty convoluted. I admit that reasonable people should know there is no reasonable doubt that anything was rigged.

You don't get to speak for everyone. Omniscience fallacy.

They keep a database of "fraud."

There is no "database of fraud".

Our elections are incredibly scrutinized.

DON'T TRY TO DENY DEMOCRAT ELECTION FRAUD!

There IS fraud. We're a nation of 350 million. It's all onesy twosy stuff, and mathematically nothing.

Trivialization fallacy. Denial of history.

To rig a national election would require the involvement of hundreds of people.

Yup...and there were more than hundreds.

You would need operatives in at least 7 states, dozens of counties and hundreds of precincts. And they would all have to keep a secret.

There were, and the 'secret' got out.

Not possible.

It is possible. It happened.

Again - the only reason anyone thinks there was "massive fraud" is because a pathological liar who can't stand losing said so. And he said the same in 2016, and 2024 - until he won.

Nope. Democrat election fraud has been a problem since long before Trump.

 

[Into the Night]

Is your friend "MAGA?" Do they believe pathological liars who hate losing when they say that elections were rigged?

Vote tallies have fluctuated significantly in the past. They are not linear.

MAGA isn't a person. Trump has never lost an election.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Covid killed over a million Americans. Yeah just a lie. How you live with yourself being such a sick asshole will forever be a mystery.

BS. Covid didn't even exist - at least not as something new and different. It was just another flu variant like we get every year.

 

[ZenMode]

The Democrat Pandemic Hoax didn't stop people from going to rallies.

I specifically mentioned Democrats. Yes, there were non-traditional rallies for Biden where people were required to social distance.

Either way, there is no requirement to go to a rally to vote for a candidate. I've gone to one rally in my lifetime and it was to see somebody that I already knew I was voting for.

 

[ADreamOfLiberty]

I admit that reasonable people should know there is no reasonable doubt that anything was rigged.

Good enough.

They keep a database of "fraud."

Who is "they"?

Our elections are incredibly scrutinized.

to no avail since they are not secure or auditable. Auditable processes can be verified by scrutiny, it's in the definition. Unauditable processes cannot, no matter how much you stare.

There IS fraud. We're a nation of 350 million. It's all onesy twosy stuff, and mathematically nothing.

What math is that?

To rig a national election would require the involvement of hundreds of people.

I believe I said that:

Depends on how many ballots are fraudulent. The minimum number is probably around 500 cheaters, but a more realistic one is 5000. Mostly organized in small cells of 3 to 5 people. Many working independently. Some in larger conspiracies such as the one recently discovered in Lancaster County PA.

They would not need to conspire with each other nor expose themselves to detection. That's what mass mail balloting allows.

Not possible.

You saying it is impossible does not make it impossible.

Now there was another thing you needed to grant before I bring the evidence:

Admit the fundamental theorem of statistics: The ratios of the sample are representative of the ratios of the whole population. In other words admit that just because you can only prove 10 ballots are fraudulent does not mean that only 10 ballots are fraudulent.

Instead admit that (depending on the details of the fraud) any fraud means there is a mechanism for fraudulent ballots to be added to the pile and statistical analysis is required to get anything resembling a ballpark on the actual amount of fraud.

 

[christiefan915]

Admit that a real democracy is duty bound to run elections that reasonable people know are real election because there is no reasonable doubt that the quantity of fraud is below the margin of victory.

Admit the fundamental theorem of statistics: The ratios of the sample are representative of the ratios of the whole population. In other words admit that just because you can only prove 10 ballots are fraudulent does not mean that only 10 ballots are fraudulent. Instead admit that it means there is a mechanism for fraudulent ballots to be added to the pile and statistical analysis is required to get anything resembling a ballpark on the actual amount of fraud.

There's no statistic that says if a person wins one election, he's guaranteed to win another.

 

[Hawkeye10]

10 plus million fake votes for Biden

More like 20 million.....which is significantly more than the norm.

 

[ADreamOfLiberty]

There's no statistic that says if a person wins one election, he's guaranteed to win another.

Relevance unclear.

 

[christiefan915]

OK. The PA state constitution bans no-excuse absentee ballots and yet the dem gov sent out over a million of them in 2020.

The Constitution of Pennsylvania

www.legis.state.pa.us

§ 14. Absentee voting.
(a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner
in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors
who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the
municipality of their residence, because their duties,
occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on
the occurrence of any election, are unable to attend at their
proper polling places because of illness or physical disability
or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance
of a religious holiday or who cannot vote because of election
day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for
the return and canvass of their votes in the election district
in which they respectively reside.

August 2, 2022

"Pennsylvania's mail-in voting law has been upheld by the state's Supreme Court, allowing all voters in the key swing state to cast ballots by mail in November and for other future elections.

In a 5-2 decision released Tuesday, the Democratic-majority court overturned a lower court's ruling from January that found Pennsylvania's Act 77 to be in violation of the state's constitution.

"We find no restriction in our Constitution on the General Assembly's ability to create universal mail-in voting," Justice Christine Donohue wrote in the majority opinion."

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/02/1099806224/pennsylvania-act-77-supreme-court-decision-mail-in-voting-lawsuit

 

[christiefan915]

Can you explain the massive increase in voting for Dementia Joe in 2020? Kamala had the same guy running against her and the vote totals were similar to elections with Obama and Hillary. What gives. Asking for a friend.

That's how much people detested the four years of trump. Expect the same in 2028.

 

[christiefan915]

Yes it did. How many were voting Americans? Which questions how Biden got more than 81 million votes and Trump over 74 million in 2020 with the Chinese Disease raging through the US.

Trump got just 72 million and Harris got 67 million in 2024, and this was supposed to be the most important election in our time. There was no Chinese Disease to screw things up like in 2020.

Trump got less votes than he did in a losing effort in 2020, yet handily beat Harris. Those are facts you cannot deny.

I did the work for you. And if you look at the graph, you'll see turnout was even higher in the 1992 election.

"Over two-thirds of eligible Americans voted in the 2020 presidential election, according to survey data from the Census Bureau. Turnout reached its highest level in three decades. The use of nontraditional voting methods, such as vote-by-mail and early voting, more than doubled as states adopted new policies amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

​

How many Americans voted in 2020?

Voter turnout surged in 2020 with increases in mail-in and early voting.

usafacts.org

 

[christiefan915]

Relevance unclear.

You're making an argument that statistics "prove" there was ballot fraud and that's why trump lost the election. You can make up all kinds of excuses but the bottom line is that more people wanted to get rid of trump than to have him win a second term.

 

[ADreamOfLiberty]

You're making an argument that statistics "prove" there was ballot fraud and that's why trump lost the election.

I did not. I'm making sure the other guy understands statistics before I throw away my time with proof of ballot fraud that the ignorant ignore because they don't understand statistics and think they can count the number of trees in the world by looking out their window.

You can make up all kinds of excuses but the bottom line is that more people wanted to get rid of trump than to have him win a second term.

You have no way to know that for certain.

 

[Daylight63]

In 2008 the kenyan got 69.5 million votes

In 2012 the kenyan got 66 million votes

In 2016 Hillary got 66 million votes

In 2020 Veggie Joe got 81.3 million votes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In 2024 Kamala got 71 million votes

United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How did biden do that.?? He couldn't draw flies at his rallies. No one liked him or cared about him. IT WAS MASSIVE CHEATING.

Hear me out, I've got AN ALTERNATIVE theory: it could be that MORE people wanted Joe to be President in 2020 than wanted Trump to be president.

I know it's crazy! But if cheating were a "THING" don't you think the Dems would have cheated in 2024?

How did Trump win?

Did your side cheat?

 

[ADreamOfLiberty]

Hear me out, I've got AN ALTERNATIVE theory: it could be that MORE people wanted Joe to be President in 2020 than wanted Trump to be president.

I know it's crazy! But if cheating were a "THING" don't you think the Dems would have cheated in 2024?

How did Trump win?

Did your side cheat?

It has been suggested that Trump struck a deal. It would explain why down ballot races are being lost.

Time will tell. If Trump pushes to secure the elections that will mean he is either double crossing the cheaters or he didn't cheat.

 

[christiefan915]

I did not. I'm making sure the other guy understands statistics before I throw away my time with proof of ballot fraud that the ignorant ignore because they don't understand statistics and think they can count the number of trees in the world by looking out their window.



You have no way to know that for certain.

Believe as you will. Dominion won a $787 million lawsuit because of lies promoted by Fox, and Smartmatic won its cases also. There's a harsh penalty for lying about ballot fraud.

 

[ADreamOfLiberty]

Believe as you will. Dominion won a $787 million lawsuit because of lies promoted by Fox, and Smartmatic won its cases also. There's a harsh penalty for lying about ballot fraud.

Oh well that convinces me, there are severe punishments for questioning the election so it must have been fair and free.

 

[Daylight63]

Oh well that convinces me, there are severe punishments for questioning the election so it must have been fair and free.

Everyone needs to stop with this whole "were the elections rigged" nonsense. You CANNOT claim the elections are rigged ONLY when your side loses.

Trump lost in 2020 and his followers lost their shit. Trump won in 2024 and now suddenly all is right with the world.

We as a nation just showed ourselves to be INCREDIBLY STUPID but surely were aren't THAT stupid are we?