States With Stricter Gun Laws Have Lower Gun Death Rates Because Gun Laws Work

[Granule]

We can have gun control without banning all guns.

Disarm & incarcerate the criminals first, then we can talk about how to best arm ourselves in the event of government overreach.

 

[StoneByStone]

Yes they do. He just gave examples of them. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

You made the fallacy fallacy.

 

[StoneByStone]

False dichotomy fallacy and strawman fallacy. rjhenn's statement is accurate.

Fallacy fallacy.

 

[StoneByStone]

They once were. We didn't have the problems then as now, either.

Actually there are more violent drug gangs now.

 

[Granule]

Actually there are more violent drug gangs now.

so how do we solve the gang problem without dispatching the military to wipe them out?

 

[StoneByStone]

Disarm & incarcerate the criminals first, then we can talk about how to best arm ourselves in the event of government overreach.

I don't think having guns will stop government overreach at all. If that's one of your reasons for owning a gun, that's fine with me. I'm more concerned in keeping guns away from criminals and people who are mentally ill.

 

[StoneByStone]

so how do we solve the gang problem without dispatching the military to wipe them out?

Legalize all drugs, which would force many of them to get legit jobs. We could also have increased policing in certain areas with lots of crime.

 

[rjhenn]

Hello rjhenn,



No evidence which you'll accept, anyway.

For Gabby Giffords, it would be incontrovertible.

No evidence that anyone except a control freak would accept. All I ever hear as 'evidence' are examples of countries that didn't have a problem with guns before they had any gun control laws and continued to not have any problems after. That, or examples of a reduction in the gun homicide rate without any reduction in the overall homicide rate. If just as many people are dieing, where's the improvement?There's never any case where a gun control law has actually made things better.

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[rjhenn]

We can have gun control without banning all guns.

All of the available evidence tells us that gun control doesn't work.

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[Into the Night]

You made the fallacy fallacy.

Buzzword fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Fallacy fallacy.

Buzzword fallacy Argument of the Stone fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Actually there are more violent drug gangs now.

So you agree.

 

[Into the Night]

so how do we solve the gang problem without dispatching the military to wipe them out?

Dispatch the police to wipe them out. That does, of course mean giving them the tools to actually do it.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't think having guns will stop government overreach at all. If that's one of your reasons for owning a gun, that's fine with me. I'm more concerned in keeping guns away from criminals and people who are mentally ill.

You can't.

 

[rjhenn]

Brazil [emoji38]up:

Brazil, and Australia's Northern Territory. There's also the fact that Canada's homicide rate keeps rising, fueled by gang violence and increases in gun violence, leading to calls for even stricter gun laws. Yes, even more of the same thing that's already not working. That's sane.

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[StoneByStone]

So you agree.

Duh. That's why I said we should legalize all drugs.

 

[StoneByStone]

You can't.

Why? Because you're mentally ill and you have a gun?

 

[Into the Night]

Why? Because you're mentally ill and you have a gun?

YOU don't get to declare who is mentally ill. You are not the king.

 

[StoneByStone]

YOU don't get to declare who is mentally ill. You are not the king.

I know, we have doctors for that.

 

[CFM]

You think he's dumb enough to take you up on that suggestion?

If he's like Nomad, he won't.