Support the Fast Food Workers Strike!

[cawacko]

That specific amount, no, but a much higher amount than the current minimum wage, yes. What is most important is taking notice of how so many devalue the work of others. DO you want me to go on forever, because I can? You know how you can take OBama's pre-2008 resume? Well put a woman's name on it and let me know if she thinks she's qualified to be President.

Men overvalue themselves, women undervalue themselves. GENERALLY speaking, not all of course. Part of men overvaluing themselves, is undervaluing others. That's why it's so interesting to me to watch a lot of men arrogantly decide who is "overpaid" at 15 fucking dollars an hour...they of course could never be overpaid, it is not even something that is imaginable.

I wasn't speaking from a man vs. woman perspective. I was asking that because you value a person who can do a particular job and are willing to pay more for it should everyone else he forced to pay more for that job as well?

 

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Wow...u caught a grammatical error... But still too ignorant to see desh for the psycho she is

What is your deal with this Desh thing, you act like someone jilted you for her.

Damo should start an advice forum, Dear Damo. This way you can write to him. I have no idea what you are so upset about, but obviously something because every post you make to me mentions Desh. No I don't think she's prettier than you! And you don't look fat in that outfit!

Does that help?

 

[Socrtease]

I think I have a very good idea of what overpaid is. $15/hour for an excellent shade tree mechanic is underpaid. $15/hour for an 18 year old senior in high school flipping burgers is overpaid. Last year 28.3% of all billable hours were purposely pro bono, that means going in we knew they were free, but we also discounted or wrote off $180,000 in fees because people could not pay them. For a firm with two lawyers that's 90k each, FREE. On top of the pro bono work. I'm not some fucking anti-worker college educated snob. I have given back. I was a public defender, before you talk about a fry guy being worth more than a public defender, watch Gideon's Army on HBO about the public defender system. Only someone complete stupid could think that those lawyers aren't worth every dime they are paid and then multiply it times 5. To say that a McDonald's employee is worth more than a PD 1 at ANY public defender office in America is to show how fucking stupid your really are.

 

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I wasn't speaking from a man vs. woman perspective. I was asking that because you value a person who can do a particular job and are willing to pay more for it should everyone else he forced to pay more for that job as well?

And I answered that the minimum wage should be much higher. 15 an hour, right now.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You should thank her for marrying you and offer to buy her something else too. An iPad is a small price to pay for a good woman, which you have. No sympathy from me.

Hey....I may have been conned but I got good sex twice from the deal....I'm not complaining.

 

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I think I have a very good idea of what overpaid is. $15/hour for an excellent shade tree mechanic is underpaid. $15/hour for an 18 year old senior in high school flipping burgers is overpaid. Last year 28.3% of all billable hours were purposely pro bono, that means going in we knew they were free, but we also discounted or wrote off $180,000 in fees because people could not pay them. For a firm with two lawyers that's 90k each, FREE. On top of the pro bono work. I'm not some fucking anti-worker college educated snob. I have given back. I was a public defender, before you talk about a fry guy being worth more than a public defender, watch Gideon's Army on HBO about the public defender system. Only someone complete stupid could think that those lawyers aren't worth every dime they are paid and then multiply it times 5. To say that a McDonald's employee is worth more than a PD 1 at ANY public defender office in America is to show how fucking stupid your really are.

It is not about who is stupid and who is smart. You view this in an entirely different manner than I do. It's just completely different ways of looking at things.

 

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LOL

The King of Horseshit.

What happens to a stocks price if profit margins fall?

Can u answer that lil miss know it all?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Darla you would be willing to pay that amount because it is important to you. Should everyone else be forced to pay that same amount as well?

Hell no! Not if we're paying you!!

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Why not let the market determine that? Why do you insist that some have the right to the free market but not others? I say let them negotiate and if they have the strength of their position and win more power to them. What are you afraid of? That unskilled people who work hard might have a decent standard of living?

For some reason you seem to have the idea that McD's and such are under some kind of obligation to do what the strikers want.
They can join any union they want; but that doesn't mean that McD's have to be a Union employer.
McD's can just hire someone else.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So you agree that raising the minimum wage is a bad idea

No I don't. In fact right now adjusting it to nominal historical levels, when adjusted for inflation, would have a small stimulis affect on the economy and would be helpful to those at the end of the economic ladder.

 

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And I answered that the minimum wage should be much higher. 15 an hour, right now.

And AGAIN... If you pay the unskilled double... What will the skilled and semi skilled demand? What the happens to prices? Forcing the low end up does not help the minimum wagers in the long run. You simply jack up the wage scale and thus the cost of living.

 

[Socrtease]

Well that is what I mean when I ask, who is to say what is unskilled? And my post was in response to Soc's about a legal secretary, who is more skilled than the positon I am describing SF, so you are making a false comparison.

As for fast food workers, they do more than flip burgers, that is a way of dismissing and devaluing them. For me personally, I would like to live in a world where food workers were appreciated and treated well. Perhaps you don't care what you put in your mouth, I couldn't comment. But I think it pays for all of us in the long run.

She's not more skilled than the position, especially for a dirt poor city in a dirt poor state in the southwest. She can do simple motions and orders. She cannot write a motion to suppress, or a Rule 60 b motion, our senior paralegal can do that, but not our LA/R. She is paid twice the per capita income for our county with barely a 10th grade education. All your great liberal friends in NYC would not pay her what we do, Especially once they saw her gang banger tattoos and rough grasp of professional, let alone legal english. But she is loyal, and a hard worker, and when I told HER today that McDonald's employees were on strike because they thought they should make just two dollars less than her, her response was BULLSHIT! That's because she worked fast food once upon a time. And that is why I used her as an example for this thread.

 

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No I don't. In fact right now adjusting it to nominal historical levels, when adjusted for inflation, would have a small stimulis affect on the economy and would be helpful to those at the end of the economic ladder.

Lmao... You just said it should be what the market will bear, even if below minimum wage.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

That specific amount, no, but a much higher amount than the current minimum wage, yes. What is most important is taking notice of how so many devalue the work of others. DO you want me to go on forever, because I can? You know how you can take OBama's pre-2008 resume? Well put a woman's name on it and let me know if she thinks she's qualified to be President.

Men overvalue themselves, women undervalue themselves. GENERALLY speaking, not all of course. Part of men overvaluing themselves, is undervaluing others. That's why it's so interesting to me to watch a lot of men arrogantly decide who is "overpaid" at 15 fucking dollars an hour...they of course could never be overpaid, it is not even something that is imaginable.

You're absolutely right Darla.....now go make me a sandwhich....and bring me a beer while your in there.

 

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And AGAIN... If you pay the unskilled double... What will the skilled and semi skilled demand? What the happens to prices? Forcing the low end up does not help the minimum wagers in the long run. You simply jack up the wage scale and thus the cost of living.

Wow. So my whole point about who decides what is skilled and what is unskilled went over your head huh?

Well, I guess if that happens SF, maybe somewhere, some skilled manual laborer might decide he is worth as much as you. And I guess if that happened the earth would fall of its axis.

 

[Voted4Reagan]

Raise the wage to $15 an hour and you'll kill summer jobs for kids entirely

It will also cause massive layoffs as people reduce payroll to maintain Profit margins.

 

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If that's what the market can bear and they can collectively negotiate that.....why not?

absolutely it's a big if but why the double standard? Why should'nt they be able to charge what the market can bear?

Well because #1. what someone else makes with another employer isn't relevant. #2. They work very hard and contribute substantially to the companies profits. #3. Those companies make substantial profits and #4. The free market is predicated on ALL people having the RIGHT to charge what the market will bear for their goods and services. Not just the special few. I say if they can negotiate that level of pay more power to them. Conversely if the market will only bear 5 bucks an hour. Then life's a bitch go learn marketable skill. what is wrong with that? Don't you believe the free market applies to every one?

No I don't. In fact right now adjusting it to nominal historical levels, when adjusted for inflation, would have a small stimulis affect on the economy and would be helpful to those at the end of the economic ladder.

roflmao

 

[Mott the Hoople]

You think with 7.6% unemployment rate that unskilled jobs will see a rise or fall in hourly wages if we are going by what the market will bear?

I honestly don't know. There are a vast number of factors involved there.

 

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Wow. So my whole point about who decides what is skilled and what is unskilled went over your head huh?

Well, I guess if that happens SF, maybe somewhere, some skilled manual laborer might decide he is worth as much as you. And I guess if that happened the earth would fall of its axis.

No, if the market agrees, then that person should be paid the same. You are the one that proposes pushing up everyones wages... Who are you to decide for everyone what is skilled and unskilled?

 

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She's not more skilled than the position, especially for a dirt poor city in a dirt poor state in the southwest. She can do simple motions and orders. She cannot write a motion to suppress, or a Rule 60 b motion, our senior paralegal can do that, but not our LA/R. She is paid twice the per capita income for our county with barely a 10th grade education. All your great liberal friends in NYC would not pay her what we do, Especially once they saw her gang banger tattoos and rough grasp of professional, let alone legal english. But she is loyal, and a hard worker, and when I told HER today that McDonald's employees were on strike because they thought they should make just two dollars less than her, her response was BULLSHIT! That's because she worked fast food once upon a time. And that is why I used her as an example for this thread.

No, I've no doubt she does feel that way. Just like there are immigrants who get furious at the idea of amnesty. They did i the hard way, why should you have it any easier.

I always say there are two kinds of people in this world, and I noticed this from posting on a political message board in the first year. There are two guys who struggle in their 20's, have no health care, can't afford college, and somehow make it.

One of them says, I suffered, who are YOU to have it any easier? And their face twists up just at the thought of that.

The second guy says, you know, that was really fucked up, I don't want anyone else to have to go through what I did.

The first guy is a conservative. The second a liberal.

Two different world views.