Surprise! Massachusetts pushes for spanking ban

AssHatZombie said:
Part of Parenting is creating in miniature a model of the real world, for the child. There are real physical consequences for getting out of line, in this world.

Any parent who does NOT smack that ass the first time a child runs into the street is an irresponsible parent.
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Any parent that does is a bad parent. Yes, I am calling you all bad parents because you don't know how to communicate with your kids except through violence. This is the way your kids will communicate.
 
TheDanold said:
You can't tell your wife to go to her room when she misbehaves either, or to take away her supper or even to force her to sit still while you lecture her.
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Actually I could and many husbands do tell their wives where to go and what to do. I suspect it is the same guys that are hitting their kids.
 
btw this was on my local news last night.. the nurse asking for it.. and a guy in plymoth that actually got arrested for it this past week. its got zero chance of passing.
 
Blackflag said:
Any parent that does is a bad parent. Yes, I am calling you all bad parents because you don't know how to communicate with your kids except through violence. This is the way your kids will communicate.
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Yeah Doctor Spock...

I'd love to watch you reason with your two year old kid just after they run into the street....
 
TheDanold said:
You can't tell your wife to go to her room when she misbehaves either, or to take away her supper or even to force her to sit still while you lecture her.
Following the logic that every child has the same rights as adults means parenting is nothing more than being providers and that's it.
You have some degree of power over your child to use as needs to be used, forgoing that turns the rest of America into an inner city with no discipline, no self control, people whining for more and less justice.
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No, it doesn't mean you are just a provider. If you were a good parent, you'd realize that you were a teacher. (not you specifically so don't get all emo)
 
The fact is, blackflag, society is far more violent now while less kids are getting spanked. I don't think your link to violence is quite as prevalent as some other more direct links.
 
Damocles said:
Yeah Doctor Spock...

I'd love to watch you reason with your two year old kid just after they run into the street....
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Well I have 3 of them and I've never hit any of them. The 2 in school get straight A's and don't have disciplinary problems. They know that they can come talk to me about anything and I won't hit them because they tell me something I don't want to hear.
 
TheDanold said:
Are you oblivious to history?
2 generations ago, damn near every kid was spanked or worse and school killings were unheard of. Kids were much more respectful.

They are not being taught violence, they are being taught justice. Youth crime is much higher in this generation where spanking is less frequent.
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Oh but there were plenty of killings…I wonder why there weren’t the “mass killings” in schools that we see now?

Hmmm. Think Darla think…what could be different about now?
It’ll come to me. I’m not as good with the book leranen as you are Dano.

But my little ole head is just tellin me and tellen me that though you pulled the “statistic” that there is less corporal punishment today than there was two generations ago, straight out of your butt, there is something more solid than that which has changed.

Almost steely solid. It’ll come to me.
 
Damocles said:
The fact is, blackflag, society is far more violent now while less kids are getting spanked. I don't think your link to violence is quite as prevalent as some other more direct links.
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I don't think your contention that less kids are being spanked is true.
 
Blackflag said:
Well we are a culture of violence now and your claim that less people spank their kids now is completely unfounded.
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Yes less people spank their kids now. I've heard many people say they were spanked as kids, but they don't spank their kids. Maineman for example.
You see it in polls of people approving spanking, far less do now than before.
 
TheDanold said:
Yes less people spank their kids now. I've heard many people say they were spanked as kids, but they don't spank their kids. Maineman for example.
You see it in polls of people approving spanking, far less do now than before.
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Another bs unsupported claim by Dano. Why am I not surprised?
 
Blackflag said:
No, it doesn't mean you are just a provider. If you were a good parent, you'd realize that you were a teacher. (not you specifically so don't get all emo)
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A good parent does try teaching first, but with tantrums and such sometimes there is no other recourse.
What makes you think a spank doesn't teach? It teaches kids that for extremely bad behaviour, they will get extremely bad punishment.

The thing is kids are individuals, like anyone, some kids are going to need spanking and some won't.
 
Back in the day there were less americans so even if less percentage of people are spanking their kids now, I think it is probably still a higher amount of total people actually spanking.
 
Damocles said:
Yeah Doctor Spock...

I'd love to watch you reason with your two year old kid just after they run into the street....
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You know, stop with the “WHAT IF THEY RUN INTO THE STREET!!!” scenario. It is so reminding me of the “BUT WHAT IF A TERRORIST KNEW WHERE A NUKE WAS GOING TO GO OFF, COULD WE WATERBOARD HIM THEN?” red herring.

I thought that Desh gave the best answer to that on this thread and I agree with her. One swat on the butt, lightly, is not “spanking”, and in a case like that, or, as happened to me with my nephew, if they keep trying to stick their finger in a light socket, that gets the point across. I know that never having raised my hand or even my voice to my little pumpkin of a nephew, when he was about 2, and after I had removed his hand for the third time, tapped him on his butt, he was shocked and just stared up at me. There was no need for a “spanking”. Whatever that means, and again, the meaning differs.

But read Desh’s post on it, she explained it best, and she does not spank her children and OMG they are still alive!
 
TheDanold said:
A good parent does try teaching first, but with tantrums and such sometimes there is no other recourse.
What makes you think a spank doesn't teach? It teaches kids that for extremely bad behaviour, they will get extremely bad punishment.

The thing is kids are individuals, like anyone, some kids are going to need spanking and some won't.
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A spank does teach. It teaches one to use violence when they want something.
 
Blackflag said:
Any parent that does is a bad parent. Yes, I am calling you all bad parents because you don't know how to communicate with your kids except through violence. This is the way your kids will communicate.
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Whoah. I don't have any kids. I'm too cool for that.:cool:
 
Blackflag said:
A spank does teach. It teaches one to use violence when they want something.
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No. It teaches that there are limits to allowable behavior. They can learn it at home. Or they can wind up in prison when they test their boundaries on society at large. You're largely brainless on this issue.
 
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