Surprise! Massachusetts pushes for spanking ban

Another bs unsupported claim by Dano. Why am I not surprised?

Come on flag. Look at schools. In my Dad's generation, kids were spanked in school, including him and he was one of the best behaved. I believe now only 23 states allow spanking in school now and even then it's only a few states in the South that actually practice it.

There is less spanking now than before.
 
Come on flag. Look at schools. In my Dad's generation, kids were spanked in school, including him and he was one of the best behaved. I believe now only 23 states allow spanking in school now and even then it's only a few states in the South that actually practice it.

There is less spanking now than before.

It is your opinion until you prove it. I think maybe the percentage of people that spank kids is down but the total number is up because of the increase in population. Almost all of the people I know spank their kids.
 
I don't think your contention that less kids are being spanked is true.
I definitely do. More people think as you do than ever before. There are far less kids being spanked now than in the past.

BTW - I personally have never "spanked" my kids. I did rather exitedly grab their arm when they tried to run into the street though. I just don't believe that your contention that spanking causes violent children is held up by the facts.

However if the per capita is lower as you contend, it still wouldn't account for an actual increase in violence by such a huge margin. It isn't the spankings/not spankings that are causing or solving the issue.
 
I definitely do. More people think as you do than ever before. There are far less kids being spanked now than in the past.

BTW - I personally have never "spanked" my kids. I did rather exitedly grab their arm when they tried to run into the street though. I just don't believe that your contention that spanking causes violent children is held up by the facts.

OH so as always you are just arguing the other side in order to be a pain in the butt! lol geez.
 
OH so as always you are just arguing the other side in order to be a pain in the butt! lol geez.
No, I am stating that I think his contention that spanking causes later violence is not held up by the fact that there is more violence yet more awareness of and less spanking than before. I don't think it is spanking, or not spanking, that is causing it or solving it.
 
A spank does teach. It teaches one to use violence when they want something.

I contend that if you can "reason with your kids" they can understand the difference between hitting (violence) and spanking. My 4 year old knows the difference. Of course BF you would probably have assumed that I do spank my kids. Did your parents spank you and your siblings when you were a child? If so did it teach you to be violent?
 
I contend that if you can "reason with your kids" they can understand the difference between hitting (violence) and spanking. My 4 year old knows the difference. Of course BF you would probably have assumed that I do spank my kids. Did your parents spank you and your siblings when you were a child? If so did it teach you to be violent?

Yeah they did and yeah I used to be violent, way before I had kids. I realized where it was coming from though and halted the vicious circle.
 
That is freaky. Colorado "permits" spanking in the schools. I will tell you, in all my years in the schools, there was never even one kid spanked in our schools.

I used to go to Christian schools in Maryland and they were allowed to spank us.
 
Yeah they did and yeah I used to be violent, way before I had kids. I realized where it was coming from though and halted the vicious circle.


Good for you.

I've never encountered a situation where beating and hitting a kid was neccessary. If one has to resort to that, then one needs to take a parenting skills class, IMO. Beating and hitting kids is completely unneccessary.

And no, a light swat or tap on the wrist when they try to touch a hot stove is not a "beating", as someone pointed out.
 
Of course you grab your kid and jerk him out of the way of an oncoming car or whatever. That isn't what I'm talking about though.
 
Good for you.

I've never encountered a situation where beating and hitting a kid was neccessary. If one has to resort to that, then one needs to take a parenting skills class, IMO. Beating and hitting kids is completely unneccessary.

And no, a light swat or tap on the wrist when they try to touch a hot stove is not a "beating", as someone pointed out.

Right. It's a spanking.
 
No, I am stating that I think his contention that spanking causes later violence is not held up by the fact that there is more violence yet more awareness of and less spanking than before. I don't think it is spanking, or not spanking, that is causing it or solving it.

Well, I’m not going to spend the rest of my life arguing with you guys over this. Violence begets violence, this we know. As I’m sure you know, children who are abused will grow up to become abusers themselves. It is what they know.

Now is a “spanking” abuse? Well, again this is self-evident, everyone’s definition of a spanking differs, so yes, sometimes it is clearly abuse, and other times it’s not, but it is my personal opinion that it still instills the wrong lesson.

And SF is wrong in my case at least; neither my mother or my father ever raised their hand to me, once, and that includes “spankings”. So I do not feel the way I feel because my parents “went over the line from spanking to abuse”.

I am not certain about a law, but I would say at the very least we can have a law that states if you “spank” a child with anything other than your hand (and plenty of people consider using a strap “spanking”), then you will be charged.

That’s it for me on this thread.
 
Good for you.

I've never encountered a situation where beating and hitting a kid was neccessary. If one has to resort to that, then one needs to take a parenting skills class, IMO. Beating and hitting kids is completely unneccessary.

And no, a light swat or tap on the wrist when they try to touch a hot stove is not a "beating", as someone pointed out.

oh, so you don't consider spanking abusive?
 
Well, I’m not going to spend the rest of my life arguing with you guys over this. Violence begets violence, this we know. As I’m sure you know, children who are abused will grow up to become abusers themselves. It is what they know.

Now is a “spanking” abuse? Well, again this is self-evident, everyone’s definition of a spanking differs, so yes, sometimes it is clearly abuse, and other times it’s not, but it is my personal opinion that it still instills the wrong lesson.

And SF is wrong in my case at least; neither my mother or my father ever raised their hand to me, once, and that includes “spankings”. So I do not feel the way I feel because my parents “went over the line from spanking to abuse”.

I am not certain about a law, but I would say at the very least we can have a law that states if you “spank” a child with anything other than your hand (and plenty of people consider using a strap “spanking”), then you will be charged.

That’s it for me on this thread.

So you use your hand when you get physical with children?
 
Yeah they did and yeah I used to be violent, way before I had kids. I realized where it was coming from though and halted the vicious circle.

How do you account for a lot of inner city kids who were not only not spanked but often didn't even have a father with any discipline. Violence (and crime) is much higher there.

Also as I recall you only have girls for kids, my oldest daughter behaves as soon as I raise my voice and my youngest daughter is always looking to help out. Boys can require more discipline.
 
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