Surprise! Massachusetts pushes for spanking ban

[Cancel7]

I come from a long generational line of abusive. Just like all the fucking barbaric uneducated south.

My dad always used to justify getting the belt or switch out and hitting me as hard as he could 20 times in a row until I bled by saying how much worse his dad was. And I was like "Holy fuck! You were abused! How great!"

I'm sorry Water.

I hope you speak to a therapist about this, sooner rather than later, and don't be ashamed of it because you didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Cancel7]

I'm sorry to hear that and from your description, it does sound like your dad went over the line, but it doesn't always have to be that way. Certainly drawing blood and hitting a child as hard as one could would qualify as abusive in my book. But as Rob pointed out its a gray area.

No it really isn’t. You hit a child in anger, you are going to abuse them, period.

and it doesn't just "sound like he went over the line".

 

[evince]

I still say you can raise a kid without resorting to violence. I found the 45 minute lecture worked much better than hitting. Yes its harder to do but good parenting is worth the effort.

 

[TheDanold]

Even were all that true, the idea that it could be beaten out of him is defied by all evidence.

Though ftr, I don't agree about Water's personality.

You don't beat it out of anybody, a spank is just a reminder that for extreme behaviour there is a severe consequence.
I was spanked, I don't know, maybe 5 times in my life that I can remember, it was always for something pretty bad and the lesson was learned for quite awhile afterwards.

It boggles my mind that some lefties nowadays can look at it with so much malice, I mean probably 98% of adults were spanked as little as 2 generations ago. Is that a generation associated with crime, rudeness and people who are violent to each other?
Or is it instead the current generation, especially in Liberal Democrat run inner cities where not only do kids have no discipline, they often don't even have a discipline figure like a father?


Watermark is manic, he obviously comes across as very hyper, but he can also scream and be outrageous when he wants something.
I can think of much worse posters though.

 

[Chapdog]

anyone thinks its a problem to whack your kids ass a couple times when they run out into traffic or play with fire? or is a simple time out thats same as they get when they dont eat there veggies sufficient?

 

[Onceler]

That's awful, Water - certainly puts some perspective on the issue.

Honestly, I do not support this kind of legislation, but there is something about the idea of using any sort of physical retribution against a being that is a fraction of your size & weight that I find difficult to comprehend. It definitely seems very "old school" to me. I know good, decent & reasonable people who spank their kids, and are otherwise not violent, but it just seems to me that, if you're looking for ways to discipline, there are more creative, effective & positive ways to go about it.

 

[Cancel7]

You don't beat it out of anybody, a spank is just a reminder that for extreme behaviour there is a severe consequence.
I was spanked, I don't know, maybe 5 times in my life that I can remember, it was always for something pretty bad and the lesson was learned for quite awhile afterwards.

It boggles my mind that some lefties nowadays can look at it with so much malice, I mean probably 98% of adults were spanked as little as 2 generations ago. Is that a generation associated with crime, rudeness and people who are violent to each other?
Or is it instead the current generation, especially in Liberal Democrat run inner cities where not only do kids have no discipline, they often don't even have a discipline figure like a father?


Watermark is manic, he obviously comes across as very hyper, but he can also scream and be outrageous when he wants something.
I can think of much worse posters though.

Water just posted on this thread, that he was beaten by his father, wtf is your problem? Maybe his father should have locked him in the attic for a couple of months, since the beatings didn’t work as far as you’re concerned?
Do you fucking read anything that anybody writes that challenges your pre-conceived beliefs?

 

[TheDanold]

No it really isn’t. You hit a child in anger, you are going to abuse them, period.
and it doesn't just "sound like he went over the line".

Ok so in all seriousness you are claiming that close to 100% of all past generations in all civilizations were abused....because they were spanked Darla or usually worse.

It seems bizarre, I mean I often hear even Liberals lament how society acts nowadays in terms of rudeness and violence, yet they were spanked much less than previous generations.

"Discipline is not the enemy of enthusiasm." - Joe Clark

 

[Cancel7]

That's awful, Water - certainly puts some perspective on the issue.

Honestly, I do not support this kind of legislation, but there is something about the idea of using any sort of physical retribution against a being that is a fraction of your size & weight that I find difficult to comprehend. It definitely seems very "old school" to me. I know good, decent & reasonable people who spank their kids, and are otherwise not violent, but it just seems to me that, if you're looking for ways to discipline, there are more creative, effective & positive ways to go about it.

I agree, and very well said Onceler.

It’s possible this legislation could be abused, I could see that happening. But as we KNOW that children are being abused, some to death, some just into maladjusted adults, I wonder, why is the very idea of this, even discussing it, enough to send conservatives into tailspins?
And I believe it’s because they think they “own” their children, and I’m sorry, but they do not.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

No it really isn’t. You hit a child in anger, you are going to abuse them, period.

and it doesn't just "sound like he went over the line".

He never really did it out of anger. It's just that's the only way he had ever been taught to punish children.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

How do you expect me to cite to secret proceedings? The whole point of the enemy combatant status is to keep people out of the standard criminal justice system where coerced evidence is inadmissible in court and to keep the proceedings secret.

Right, so the source of your claim that they were tortured is from whom? The enemy combatants who are trained to claim abuse and torture? Either provide evidence or quit spouting off as if you know it to be true. To be clear, I am not saying that I know for sure that torture has or has not been used. Simply saying that quit acting as if Americans are being tortured, subject to rendition etc.... if you have not one case to cite that this has occured.

 

[evince]

That's awful, Water - certainly puts some perspective on the issue.

Honestly, I do not support this kind of legislation, but there is something about the idea of using any sort of physical retribution against a being that is a fraction of your size & weight that I find difficult to comprehend. It definitely seems very "old school" to me. I know good, decent & reasonable people who spank their kids, and are otherwise not violent, but it just seems to me that, if you're looking for ways to discipline, there are more creative, effective & positive ways to go about it.

You got it!

Its a failure to get creative and figure out how to impart the message you need to impart to any aged kid. WHen my son would try and stand up in the cart at the store I would bend down and smack the ground with my hand and tell him how hard that ground was and how much it would hurt to fall and hit his head on it. He always sat down. I have done it to kids Ive passed in the store and on EVERY one it has worked.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

You make the argument every day here that kids should be spanked when needed. You obviously have encountered incredibly little discipline in your life and look at you, you have no self-control, you are manic, you rant and rage for trying to get your way and basically act like that spoiled little child we all remember growing up who yells and screams at his Mom while all the while having everyone else wondering why the hell doesn't someone discipline that kid as he so badly needs it.

Are you fucking kidding me Dano?

 

[TheDanold]

Water just posted on this thread, that he was beaten by his father, wtf is your problem? Maybe his father should have locked him in the attic for a couple of months, since the beatings didn’t work as far as you’re concerned?
Do you fucking read anything that anybody writes that challenges your pre-conceived beliefs?

I started responding to posts from near the beginning and missed that, I read it when Water told me.
I think it smells like bullshit personally, most Southerners I know (as Water says) do get more physical punishment and they are just about the most polite and civil people you can meet (look at leaningright).

And I'm saying that from talking to hundreds of people in a previous tech support job I had with dealing with people across North America, well US and Canada anyway.

If not I apologize in advance, but it just doesn't jive. Water is a big anomaly if it is true, who knows maybe he would have been even more manic if he didn't get any discipline.

 

[Battleborne]

You darla are a idiot...............

Well wherever you found it, I think that on the very day that most newsites have “Parents admit to TORTURING baby to death”, to post this story with your faux outrage and opportunistic liberal-bashing, showed something, and it was nothing good Dano.

Both parents involved were Liberals..now what say you Ms.Pink?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Dano is making the argument that the cluster fuck in Iraq or violations in the war on terror are not as bad as this and are therefore justifiable or tolerable.

Uh, yeah, read the whole thread, that was already pointed out to me. I was mistaken in thinking he was replying to Chaps comments. Already apologized for my error. Got it. Understood.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Thanks LadyT. This is really not so much a liberal vs. conservative issue. The only thing is that liberals in politics are more likely to propose such bans.

You have to give Water some slack on this... he is still pretty young and probably just got spanked and is pissed at his mommy.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I started responding to posts from near the beginning and missed that, I read it when Water told me.
I think it smells like bullshit personally, most Southerners I know (as Water says) do get more physical punishment and they are just about the most polite and civil people you can meet (look at leaningright).

And I'm saying that from talking to hundreds of people in a previous tech support job I had with dealing with people across North America, well US and Canada anyway.

If not I apologize in advance, but it just doesn't jive. Water is a big anomaly if it is true, who knows maybe he would have been even more manic if he didn't get any discipline.

I am a very polite person in person.

 

[Cancel7]

I started responding to posts from near the beginning and missed that, I read it when Water told me.
I think it smells like bullshit personally, most Southerners I know (as Water says) do get more physical punishment and they are just about the most polite and civil people you can meet (look at leaningright).

And I'm saying that from talking to hundreds of people in a previous tech support job I had with dealing with people across North America, well US and Canada anyway.

If not I apologize in advance, but it just doesn't jive. Water is a big anomaly if it is true, who knows maybe he would have been even more manic if he didn't get any discipline.

Jesus Christ. You are one sick sob Dano.

 

[Cancel7]

I am a very polite person in person. I was never very polite until about 8 years ago, whenever my dad gave up on corporal punishment.

Yes most will rebel against it, Dano is an asshole who on top of his incredible assholeness, doesn't know what he is talking about.