Talk of bringing back the MILITARY DRAFT even though 13th amendment bans it

[archives]

In boot camp I remember having been assigned by the company CO one of the 'tards in the company to tutor. There were several of us given this assignment, one-on-one. I was told my primary task wasn't to get this moron to be able to take the written tests on his own but rather to get him to memorize the answers as best he could then sit next to him during these tests and make sure he answered enough questions correctly to pass the exam. I was further told that the CO knew I (and the others selected) would easily breeze through these tests so we had the time to make sure our 'tard passed too.

I remember people asking me afterwards if boot camp was tough, and telling them that no, that there were so many really dumb people who continuously f*cked up even with specific instructions that if you just did what was asked you had no problem at all, which was the truth

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I remember people asking me afterwards if boot camp was tough, and telling them that no, that there were so many really dumb people who continuously f*cked up even with specific instructions that if you just did what was asked you had no problem at all, which was the truth

Pretty much. Pay attention, do as instructed. Not much else to it.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

In 19i8 the Supremes ruled a draft legal and constitution using the power to raise money for and declare war. They ruled the draft is a necessary part of that power.

only brain dead idiots listen to entities limited by the constitution explain to them what the constitution does and allows

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Draft has been up before the SCOTUS numerous times and has been maintained as legitimate, just last July the Court refused to even hear a case involving it, all comes under implied powers

the government was not made the final arbiter of the constitution, nor was it given the power to define the limits of federal power.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Because that dodge has been tried numerous times now by those that don't want to be drafted. The two operative parts of the Constitution that apply to allowing a draft are first that the states can raise militia and that the militia consists, at least in theory, of all males 18 years of age or older. This is then coupled to Article I, section 8, clause 15 that permits Congress to call out the militia in time of war.

https://constitution.congress.gov/b...s,to obey the President's call of the militia.

That in effect gives Congress the Right to call up all males 18 years or older, or some portion thereof, in time of war, insurrection, etc. So, a draft would likely be illegal in a period of peace with no declared war, or in a war that was not formally declared by congressional legislation. Thus, the draft is legal in times of war, and the 13th Amendment doesn't apply to the military in that situation.

wrong. the militia has ALWAYS been recognized as a VOLUNTEER force, never a conscriptual entity

 

[SmarterthanYou]

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/245/366/

I think that SCOTUS just called you stupid.

or you are just a moron who doesn't understand the limits of constitutional power

 

[PostmodernProphet]

let me guess, Al Sharpton again?.....

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Talk of bringing back the MILITARY DRAFT even though 13th amendment bans it

What fucking cocksucking moron is talking about bringing back the draft except you?

While I think America would benefit from more disciplined people, anyone who thinks a draft is a real possibility is a real fucking idiot.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

wrong. the militia has ALWAYS been recognized as a VOLUNTEER force, never a conscriptual entity

The Supreme Court disagrees with you--REPEATEDLY!

https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/nat-sec/selective-draft.htm
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI_S8_C12_1_1/

And several of the states at varying times in their history, made military service in the militia compulsory.
https://law.justia.com/constitution...power-to-raise-and-maintain-armed-forces.html

 

[Nordberg]

wrong. the militia has ALWAYS been recognized as a VOLUNTEER force, never a conscriptual entity

Actually, the first draft was during the Revolutionary War. We have had many drafts since then.
The Revolutionary War was fought with a citizens army. It got its ass kicked during the war of 1812, with the Brits burning down the Whitehouse. We recognized the need for a standing and well-trained army. We have had drafts in the Revolutionary water, Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.

 

[Nordberg]

The Supreme Court disagrees with you--REPEATEDLY!

https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/nat-sec/selective-draft.htm
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI_S8_C12_1_1/

And several of the states at varying times in their history, made military service in the militia compulsory.
https://law.justia.com/constitution...power-to-raise-and-maintain-armed-forces.html

I think he is weaseling by calling it militia as in citizens military groups. He cannot,by now, not understand that we have had 6 drafts.

 

[Hawkeye10]

What fucking cocksucking moron is talking about bringing back the draft except you?

While I think America would benefit from more disciplined people, anyone who thinks a draft is a real possibility is a real fucking idiot.

With the way we have abused the military and decided that America is a horrible abusive place, and the way we have destroyed the schools and raised fragile adults, and with the way our youth dont do much physical activity anymore.......there is no option but to go to the draft.....and even then we wont get the quality we need to man our military.

Buckle Up.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

With the way we have abused the military and decided that America is a horrible abusive place, and the way we have destroyed the schools and raised fragile adults, and with the way our youth dont do much physical activity anymore.......there is no option but to go to the draft.....and even then we wont get the quality we need to man our military.

Buckle Up.

Your depression is worsening and your substance abuse isn't helping.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Your depression is worsening and your substance abuse isn't helping.

LIAR

 

[danielpalos]

wrong. the militia has ALWAYS been recognized as a VOLUNTEER force, never a conscriptual entity

Why do you believe that? Are you on the right-wing.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Draft has been up before the SCOTUS numerous times and has been maintained as legitimate, just last July the Court refused to even hear a case involving it, all comes under implied powers

Implied powers? HAHAHA. Did you really say that.? If it's not written into the constitution, it's not there, you moron.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Because that dodge has been tried numerous times now by those that don't want to be drafted. The two operative parts of the Constitution that apply to allowing a draft are first that the states can raise militia and that the militia consists, at least in theory, of all males 18 years of age or older.

Well of course they can raise a militia by hiring soldiers. We are talking about the draft AKA involuntary servitude.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

I would like to see the draft come back, you can't have one segment of society during all the fighting and dying?!! There should not be any exemptions either, as medical or college?!! If you are medically unfit, you should do two years of community service around the country, only military doctors should decide if you are unfit to serve?!! No more bone spurs exemptions!

The draft should also apply to old people. Not that we should make 75 year olds fight, but they should be required to do community service - say 30 hours every week. I'd love to see billionaires picking up trash on a highway or cleaning a campground outhouse.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

LIAR

Denial is not helping either.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I think he is weaseling by calling it militia as in citizens military groups. He cannot,by now, not understand that we have had 6 drafts.

Now, what we couldn't have is something the Democrats and even Progressives--but not singularly--have repeatedly proposed, and that's a national service draft.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/02/opinion/compulsory-national-service-america.html

That would violate the 13th Amendment, but then again, when did that ever stop the Left from doing something?