Talk of bringing back the MILITARY DRAFT even though 13th amendment bans it

BTW I doubt that the number the Regime gives us for expected Marine end strength is the truth, I bet in a few years they give us a much smaller number.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
Talk of bringing back the MILITARY DRAFT even though 13th amendment bans it
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There is very little serious talk of a military draft. There have been many military drafts since the 13th Amendment was ratified, and the courts have never agreed with you... But it really does not matter, because there is very little serious talk about a military draft in the USA.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You do know that for the US it has been pretty consistent since the Spanish-American war that our drafts have had a 30 to 50% rejection rate of those drafted depending on which part of the country they're from.
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During WWI, they had extremely low requirements, and still were forced to reject 50% of draftees. The solution turned out to be a school lunch program. With WWII American draftees were much healthier.

We forget the school lunch program was not a New Deal program, but a military program that predates the Great Depression.
 
I despised the draft when I was drafted.
I had no opposition to required military service, however.
I didn't like to be cannon fodder for war profiteers, and I didn't like being forced to wage a war that had NOTHING to do with defending America.

Stupid wars are still and will always be stupid.
Public service is not. Everybody of both sexes who isn't disabled might perhaps benefit from experiencing it.
It should be a unifying factor, but it may not have that effect in America.

America is two countries sharing one dysfunctional government.
Nothing will ever make us all like one another.
 
Walt said:
During WWI, they had extremely low requirements, and still were forced to reject 50% of draftees. The solution turned out to be a school lunch program. With WWII American draftees were much healthier.

We forget the school lunch program was not a New Deal program, but a military program that predates the Great Depression.
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During WW 2, 30 to 50% of draftees were rejected. The school lunch program did nothing to change that rejection rate. During Korea and Vietnam, 30 to 50% of draftees were rejected.

The reasons really haven't changed either. The most common reasons were either medical or mental. With mental, many draftees were simply too stupid to be in the military. Until penicillin was invented, an STD got you rejected. Surprisingly, even today the US military is, on the whole, better educated and smarter than the general population.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
During WW 2, 30 to 50% of draftees were rejected. The school lunch program did nothing to change that rejection rate. During Korea and Vietnam, 30 to 50% of draftees were rejected.

The reasons really haven't changed either. The most common reasons were either medical or mental. With mental, many draftees were simply too stupid to be in the military. Until penicillin was invented, an STD got you rejected. Surprisingly, even today the US military is, on the whole, better educated and smarter than the general population.
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What percentage actively tried to be rejected? Count in Trump and Rush. :laugh:

As the OJ trial proved once again; money talks and bullshit walks in America.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What percentage actively tried to be rejected? Count in Trump and Rush. :laugh:

As the OJ trial proved once again; money talks and bullshit walks in America.
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No idea. I'd say that the number of people actively trying to avoid being drafted amounts to maybe no more than 10%, probably far less. Oh, toss Clinton in with your draft dodgers. He's the shining example of how to illegally do it and get away with it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No idea. I'd say that the number of people actively trying to avoid being drafted amounts to maybe no more than 10%, probably far less. Oh, toss Clinton in with your draft dodgers. He's the shining example of how to illegally do it and get away with it.
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Up to 60%. 15 Million Americans. If you guessed mostly wealthy, Euro-American kids, you'd be correct! :thup:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...military-draft-deferment-isnt-unusual/579265/
More than 15 million men of Trump’s generation sought to avoid active-duty military service, including George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, and Dan Quayle. Up to 60 percent of men in the Vietnam generation took active measures to qualify for a deferment from the draft, while up to 90 percent of enlistments in the National Guard were draft-motivated by 1970. The idea that a privileged young man’s father may have leveraged connections with a local medical professional—who just happened to rent office space in a Trump building—to get a medical excuse for his son seems, as the military historian David Kieran tweeted, “an unsurprising nothingburger.”

Now most are Three Percenters. ROFLMAO
 
It is interesting that the Pentagon said a few days ago that it is impossible to recruit enough people to current standards, so they had to decide to either weaken the standards or shrink the force.

They decided to shrink the force.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Up to 60%. 15 Million Americans. If you guessed mostly wealthy, Euro-American kids, you'd be correct! :thup:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...military-draft-deferment-isnt-unusual/579265/
More than 15 million men of Trump’s generation sought to avoid active-duty military service, including George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, and Dan Quayle. Up to 60 percent of men in the Vietnam generation took active measures to qualify for a deferment from the draft, while up to 90 percent of enlistments in the National Guard were draft-motivated by 1970. The idea that a privileged young man’s father may have leveraged connections with a local medical professional—who just happened to rent office space in a Trump building—to get a medical excuse for his son seems, as the military historian David Kieran tweeted, “an unsurprising nothingburger.”

Now most are Three Percenters. ROFLMAO
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Try proving that.
 
guno said:
A White Man's War: Race Issues and Vietnam

https://digitalcommons.lasalle.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1011&context=vietnamgeneration
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Did you bother to read any of that tripe? It is so irrelevant as to be all but useless.

Let me ask, not just you, but the anti-draft / -military types here these:

How many 18 year-old draftees died in Vietnam?
What was the average age of a US KIA in Vietnam?
What was the percentage of draftees killed in Vietnam?
How many of those 18-year-old draftees killed were Black?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
That they were draft dodgers? Didn't Clinton give them all amnesty?
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That they actively dodged the draft as opposed to say took allowed deferments or other legal actions. Taking a deferment isn't draft dodging necessarily.
As a note, there were people back then that knew they'd be drafted, and actually volunteered to be drafted on a specific date rather than being randomly inducted. There were often advantages for them in this such as completion of school, getting specific time off to get affairs in order, etc.
 
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