Tell me: Am I frickin' Dreaming?

Darla said:
Because if you opt out, then we definitely won't have the money to fund the baby boomer's and they are the generation who paid for the so-called "greatest generation" to retire, and they have been paying into it all of these years, and don't deserve to get screwed, because you 20 somethings have decided it's all about you.
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Darla... we are going to have to issue more debt to cover distributions at one point or another because of all the borrowing our idiots in DC have done. We may as well privatize now, issue debt to cover the current seniors and stop the idiots in DC from raiding in the future (because all that does is make the problem worse).

Privatizing does NOT mean the seniors will be screwed, the government is responsible for paying them what is owed to them.
 
ITs not a pirmid scheem... It does not depend on an expanding base to remain solvent.

It does hurt when you have a shrinking base, but that will ballance out over time. If the base stays a constant average size, ss will survive.
 
Darla said:
Jarod, do you understand what a radical libertarian is?

If he could get any of this through congress, and he could not, but if he could, this is what he would do:

Elimiate the income tax and the irs.
Eliminate SS
Eliminate Medicare
Eliminate Medicaid
Eliminate child welfare
Eliminate section 8
Eliminate any and all social safety net programs
Eliminate labor laws
Eliminate labor regulations
Eliminate business regulations

You should read about him specifically, and libertarians in general. Most of them are out of their freaking minds, ron paul is literally bug fuck nuts, and if you can't see it in his eyes when he is talking, you should be able to.

there are many libertarians who are not radical, and actually have some humanity in them, he is not one of them.
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I am against all of the above.
 
Darla said:
Not if it comes in the same package as a economic one, and am I mistaken or is Mr. Libertarian ron Paul, anti-choice, I believe that he is.

We can have a social liberal, sounds delicious to me.

Nothing wrong with a liberal.
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To me a liberal and a libertarian should be about the same on the social side.
They dont seem to be in practice. They seem to be libertarian when it comes to business and conservative when it comes to the social side.

We need a moderate for economic issues and a liberal on social issues. Id love to see such a canidate.
 
Jarod said:
ITs not a pirmid scheem... It does not depend on an expanding base to remain solvent.

It does hurt when you have a shrinking base, but that will ballance out over time. If the base stays a constant average size, ss will survive.
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Yes it does, that or massive tax increases. the base has to keep growing, staying the same won't cut it. Think rationally.
 
Jarod said:
ITs not a pirmid scheem... It does not depend on an expanding base to remain solvent.

It does hurt when you have a shrinking base, but that will ballance out over time. If the base stays a constant average size, ss will survive.
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It is a pyramid scheme in that you are taking money from one person in order to pay another. A pyramid scheme does not have to have an expanding base.

The whole point is that in the rob peter to pay paul scheme, especially when relying on demographics that are constantly changing is retarded. Because eventually you end up exactly where we are now.... with a very large part of the population getting ready to retire (the boomers) and not enough people entering the workforce to take their place. That in and of itself is a problem.

But it gets worse. When social security was first created, the average life expectancy was around 67 years of age. It was designed to cover people for a few years, not a few decades. Nothing has been done to address this. So not only are the boomers going to be a strain on SS because of their size, but also because of their increased life expectancies.
 
It's all going to have to start with the general budget. It has to be balanced so that we have enough without having to dip into SS. This is why I think Ron Paul would be a great candidate despite his distaste for the SS program. His distaste is warranted, and its why so many young people like him. He isn't about to get rid of the program but would rather make it stronger by making sure that we aren't stealing from it. He has been very good in serving his constituents when it comes to Social Security. He has the reputation to fight very hard to collect their Social Security checks, or any other emolument that they are entitled to by law.
 
Darla said:
Or changed his views over the years, or, the Republican party moved away from him over the years. That does happen you know.
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Probably why you don't hear the Dims claiming to be the party of JFK anymore...
 
Jarod said:
You are wrong, if the base stays same the imput and output are ballanced.
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No. there needs to be larger base to pay for payment paid out currently. as current workers age the base needs to get even larger to accomodate them. It is a classic pyramid scheme. Quit being a moronic douche.
 
Superfreak said:
It is a pyramid scheme in that you are taking money from one person in order to pay another. A pyramid scheme does not have to have an expanding base.

The whole point is that in the rob peter to pay paul scheme, especially when relying on demographics that are constantly changing is retarded. Because eventually you end up exactly where we are now.... with a very large part of the population getting ready to retire (the boomers) and not enough people entering the workforce to take their place. That in and of itself is a problem.

But it gets worse. When social security was first created, the average life expectancy was around 67 years of age. It was designed to cover people for a few years, not a few decades. Nothing has been done to address this. So not only are the boomers going to be a strain on SS because of their size, but also because of their increased life expectancies.
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It was designed to ensure that nobody ever got a return on their investment. Unless they are rich beyond our dreams there is no way they are getting what they paid out of it in the few years it was designed to cover.
 
Superfreak said:
It is a pyramid scheme in that you are taking money from one person in order to pay another. A pyramid scheme does not have to have an expanding base.

The whole point is that in the rob peter to pay paul scheme, especially when relying on demographics that are constantly changing is retarded. Because eventually you end up exactly where we are now.... with a very large part of the population getting ready to retire (the boomers) and not enough people entering the workforce to take their place. That in and of itself is a problem.

But it gets worse. When social security was first created, the average life expectancy was around 67 years of age. It was designed to cover people for a few years, not a few decades. Nothing has been done to address this. So not only are the boomers going to be a strain on SS because of their size, but also because of their increased life expectancies.
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I agree you need to adjust SS, but its not a pyramid scheem. A pyramid scheem requires an expanding base by its defination, think of the shape a pyramid takes???

We need to adjust to account for increasing life expectancy, for example we should raise the retirement age to account for the increased life span of the average user. There are times when the base paying for the service will shrink compared to those using it, but that is temporary. There will also be times when the base will grow compared to those using the program. SOmetimes there will be shortfalls and other times there will be surplus.
 
Jarod said:
I agree you need to adjust SS, but its not a pyramid scheem. A pyramid scheem requires an expanding base by its defination, think of the shape a pyramid takes???

We need to adjust to account for increasing life expectancy, for example we should raise the retirement age to account for the increased life span of the average user. There are times when the base paying for the service will shrink compared to those using it, but that is temporary. There will also be times when the base will grow compared to those using the program. SOmetimes there will be shortfalls and other times there will be surplus.
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Yes. It is a pyramid scheme and it requires a continually expanding base to survive, if tax rates and pay out remain constant.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Yes. It is a pyramid scheme and it requires a continually expanding base to survive, if tax rates and pay out remain constant.
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It's more like Amway than a pyramid scheme. In Amway the base isn't constantly expanding because if you reach a certain level you are taken as a downline. In this case they sell all those people crappy product because they feel beholden and are convinced it "makes them money" to buy the second-rate rubbish. It is very much the same thing.
 
Cypress said:
Hmmmm....now that's odd.

If I had said half the things this GOP Prez candidate said, topper (and other closet rightwing Bush fans) would have been on here skewering me for being a cuban communist, and a class warfare poser.

Maybe if I just changed my registration to (R), I could get away with talking about standing up for american workers, without running a guantlet of "socialist!" insults from topper and other closet bush fans.
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huckabee is a retard and so are you for being facetious as usual. How many board members have expressed support for this man in the first place? I haven't seen much from my own observations. It's been only 12 hours since you first posted this thread do you think people just jump all over everything you say?
 
Damocles said:
It's more like Amway than a pyramid scheme. In Amway the base isn't constantly expanding because if you reach a certain level you are taken as a downline. In this case they sell all those people crappy product because they feel beholden and are convinced it "makes them money" to buy the second-rate rubbish. It is very much the same thing.
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yes. mlm is pyramid scheme with a product involved.

I see ss as a more pure pyramid scheme actually, not really like amway.
 
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