The ATF Expansion of the Gun Registry Turns Law-Abiding Gun Owners into Felons

[Into the Night]

US Constitution, Art 1, Sec 10, paragraph 3.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

The people themselves are the ONLY militia available to the states, not government regulated military units.

WRONG. The people are NOT the militia. Any State has the right to form a militia to protect itself. It is not keeping troops. It is forming a militia (an army) to protect itself from invasion or danger, as specified in Art I, $10, P3 (the one YOU quoted!) and the 2nd Amendment. That militia is formed from citizens of that State, organized into an army by the State, but it is not ALL the people in the State.

A State has the right to defend itself. That shall not be infringed. Indeed, it cannot be, no matter what any constitution says.
An individual has the right to defend himself. That shall not be infringed. Indeed, it cannot be, no matter what any constitution says, and no matter how oppressive a government may become.

The right of self defense is inherent. It does not come from a constitution or any other piece of paper.

 

[Nordberg]

everything you've said is wrong.

Nope, it is correct logical and backed. What is wrong is you gun-lusters redefining the 2nd. It was a gun lobbyist's dream that turned America into a shooting gallery. But they sell 20 million guns a tear. That is with over 45,000 gun deaths per year, isn't it?

 

[Taichiliberal]

what this does tell me, though, is that like other people terrified of freedom, you have to make that concerted effort to demean and denigrate your fellow American to cover up your own inadequacies and incompetency.

you can get professional help for that projection though.

Explain to the reading audience how your "freedom" was imperiled by the 1994 AWB?

And on a side note: how the hell do you claim you're for "freedom" when you support forcing a child who is impregnated by rape to bring that pregnancy to term.

The reading audience awaits.

 

[Lightbringer]

Either you're truly incredibly dense or just a stubborn stupid troll. But hope springs eternal, so let's take it from the top:

Post #74, RB says it was easier to get guns 30 years ago.

I didn't disagree with that. I asked why does he think things would be better if we returned to that situation. He never answered that question.

He further implied that mass shootings weren't as prolific as they are now.

The link I provided shows that is not exactly true, as mass shooting numbers 30 years ago had their peaks and lows, as they have year after year to present.

So whatever implications RB's erroneous reminiscing concluded are wrong...along with whatever implications he thinks they carried.

So if correcting RB on the basis of his questions, WHICH INVALIDATES HIS QUESTIONS, is seen as a "dodge" by you and your equally intellectually impotent brethren, then that's your problem. Get a nearby high school teacher to explain it to you (history, English, science).

Oh, and as to your "advice"... I feel sorry for you, as books, magazines, etc. must be torture for you. Carry on.

Too many words again.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Too many words again.

I feel sorry for you, as books, magazines, etc. must be torture for you. Carry on.

 

[Lightbringer]

I feel sorry for you, as books, magazines, etc. must be torture for you. Carry on.

That too many words observation really bothers you doesn't it? And apparently me agreeing with you about AR rifles being meant to kill people bothers you too. Why does that bother you? That's the point you were making and I agree with you...why does that bother you?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

That too many words observation really bothers you doesn't it? And apparently me agreeing with you about AR rifles being meant to kill people bothers you too. Why does that bother you? That's the point you were making and I agree with you...why does that bother you?

his chimp mind gets confused about tribal boundaries when "other" agrees with "dumbass".

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I feel sorry for you, as books, magazines, etc. must be torture for you. Carry on.

That too many words observation really bothers you doesn't it? And apparently me agreeing with you about AR rifles being meant to kill people bothers you too. Why does that bother you? That's the point you were making and I agree with you...why does that bother you?

Who told you that, the clown you see in the mirror? Actually, I'm fascinated how YOU don't realize how stupid you come off. You can't logically or factually fault what I say, so your best retort is that my response "is too much words" for you to comprehend? You think that's a brilliant, successful retort?

You keep whining because I didn't thank you for agreeing with a point I made against another poster. GTFU! To date I've taken you to task on a point that you have yet to adequately respond/answer/explain. You've spent time and effort doing anything but. When you mature enough to honestly deal with points that don't support your beliefs on a point, then we can discuss/agree/disagree on other points.

Now, wipe your tears, sit down, take your juice box and get it together.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I've got Guille on ignore, but that's not a big deal since he's one of about fifty so far.

But I've got to tell you, Taich, your capacity for being pedantic is impressive.
Is it a gift of birth, an HBCU thing, or have you cultivated it with sincere individual effort?

 

[RB 60]

LOL.

Will you deny the FACT that the NRA is the largest private organization that promotes and instructs BOTH law enforcement and civilians in safe firearms training? And that we hold the civilian and law enforcement firearm competitions?
Do you think NRA members haven't any sense of the responsible use of their firearms? Maybe you should attend one of our firearms training courses and learn what you obviously know nothing about.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

WRONG. The people are NOT the militia.

according to the founders, they are. why are you discounting their statements?

Any State has the right to form a militia to protect itself. It is not keeping troops. It is forming a militia (an army) to protect itself from invasion or danger, as specified in Art I, $10, P3 (the one YOU quoted!) and the 2nd Amendment. That militia is formed from citizens of that State, organized into an army by the State, but it is not ALL the people in the State.

the militia is the people, not a government entity.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Nope, it is correct logical and backed. What is wrong is you gun-lusters redefining the 2nd. It was a gun lobbyist's dream that turned America into a shooting gallery. But they sell 20 million guns a tear. That is with over 45,000 gun deaths per year, isn't it?

it is not correct. it certainly is not logical, and is not backed by history and the founders. your one lone chief justice does not overrule dozens of founder statements and court cases

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Will you deny the FACT that the NRA is the largest private organization that promotes and instructs BOTH law enforcement and civilians in safe firearms training? And that we hold the civilian and law enforcement firearm competitions?
Do you think NRA members haven't any sense of the responsible use of their firearms? Maybe you should attend one of our firearms training courses and learn what you obviously know nothing about.

I've had firearms training.

The NRA is also one of the primary reasons no common sense gun regulations are allowed anymore.

The NRA's lobbying efforts are what are helping fuel more deaths of children.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The NRA's lobbying efforts are what are helping fuel more deaths of children.

negative. fueling more deaths of children is the democrats enforcing defense free zones on them.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

negative. fueling more deaths of children is the democrats enforcing defense free zones on them.

LOL. Are you like 12 years old? Most of us over the age of 30 remember when there was no need whatsoever for armed guards at elementary schools.

Nope, it's ALL YOU GUN GUYS who have helped usher in this new world where everyone is packing heat and more and more and more gun slaughters happen.

It simply didn't happen when I was a kid.

What's different? MORE GUNS. And more childish gun fetishes like most of the ammosexuals have. That's the difference.

Your hobby has fucked up our society.

If more guns made us safer we'd be the safest place on earth instead of one of those places that has TRAVEL WARNINGS for visitors.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

LOL. Are you like 12 years old? Most of us over the age of 30 remember when there was no need whatsoever for armed guards at elementary schools.

Nope, it's ALL YOU GUN GUYS who have helped usher in this new world where everyone is packing heat and more and more and more gun slaughters happen.

It simply didn't happen when I was a kid.

What's different? MORE GUNS. And more childish gun fetishes like most of the ammosexuals have. That's the difference.

Your hobby has fucked up our society.

If more guns made us safer we'd be the safest place on earth instead of one of those places that has TRAVEL WARNINGS for visitors.

wrong. all of it. it's not the guns, it's the people.

we protect high level politicians with guns.
we protect our financial storage locations with guns.
we protect our government buildings with guns.
we protect our high dollar valuables with guns.

we protect our kids with a fucking sign that says 'no guns'............

you are whats wrong with the equation because you don't give a fuck about dead kids, other than the worth they give you to ban guns.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

wrong. all of it. it's not the guns, it's the people.

I'm guessing you don't know how probability works. Let me explain it to you: the more guns you flood our society with, even those guns that you "good guys" hold, means there's more guns in circulation and more and more bad people will get ahold of them. This is why even HONEST GOOD people can't buy unlimited amounts of Sudafed at the drug store. NOT because all people are bad but because of PROBABILITIES.

I wish you folks could see beyond the end of your barrels.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope, it is correct logical and backed. What is wrong is you gun-lusters redefining the 2nd. It was a gun lobbyist's dream that turned America into a shooting gallery. But they sell 20 million guns a tear. That is with over 45,000 gun deaths per year, isn't it?

Inversion fallacy. You are attempting to ignore the 2nd amendment by redefining it. Making up numbers won't help you and writing fiction won't help you.

The right of self defense is inherent.

 

[Into the Night]

according to the founders, they are. why are you discounting their statements?

You don't get to speak for the dead.

The word 'militia' first appeared in the English lexicon around the 1580's. Coming from Latin, it stems from the word 'miles', meaning 'soldier'. It is an army, not of professional soldiers, but one raised up from citizens. Each State has the right to raise such an army to defend itself from invasion or danger, as specified in Article I, $10, P3 of the 2nd amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

It is not the citizens themselves, but an army raised from them.

Even in England, where militia were raised by counties to put down Viking raids, this meaning of 'militia' hasn't changed.

the militia is the people, not a government entity.

No. The militia is an army raised from the people, by a State government. The governor is the chief commander of that militia.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Each State (as a free and sovereign State) has the right to raise a militia (an army raised from the population of that State) to defend that State as specified in Article I, $10, P3. The right of self defense for every State and every government and every city and every county and every community is inherent. That army is organized by the State. It is commanded (made regular) by the State (the governor is chief commander). That army is created by the legislature of that State and is dissolved when that army is no longer need to defend the State from invasion or from danger. It is not a standing army.

Each individual (as a living breathing thing) has the inherent of self defense also. They do NOT have to part of a militia or any other organization to claim that right. There is no 'IF' clause in the 2nd amendment. It simply discusses two related rights, and NEITHER of them shall be infringed.

The federal government cannot pass any law prohibiting or limiting a State's right to raise an army to defend itself.
The federal government and the State governments cannot pass any law limiting the right of the people (including any individual) to keep and bear arms (weapons, ANY weapons).
Cities and counties are subject to the same restrictions, since they are created under the authority of the State government and are subservient to it.

The people are not an army. A militia is an army raised from the people. BIG difference.

 

[Into the Night]

Explain to the reading audience how your "freedom" was imperiled by the 1994 AWB?

And on a side note: how the hell do you claim you're for "freedom" when you support forcing a child who is impregnated by rape to bring that pregnancy to term.

The reading audience awaits.

Stay on topic.