The ATF Expansion of the Gun Registry Turns Law-Abiding Gun Owners into Felons

In fact, the shootings in America show clearly that guns are not getting in the paws of the best people.
this is inaccurate. LOTS of people buy guns for protection, however, anti gunners (like you) try to make things as difficult as possible for those good people to be in public. What you're doing is creating and encouraging an atmosphere that makes good people determine that the possible negative consequences of self defense/public defense aren't worth it. MOST people do not want to be charged with a crime and defend themselves for defending their own life, or that of their loved ones.

Fredo dropped the gun when the shooting started. So would almost all of you guys.
this is YOU projecting your own incompetence and insecurity on everyone else.

Police are also bad shooters in a gun battle. Under that pressure, you untrained poorly practiced gun lovers would hit nothing.
you say you are inclined to listen to experts over us mere subjects, so maybe you should take a read

https://www.gunfacts.info/gun-policy-info/police-and-guns/

And because you're also prone to misrepresenting the 'costs' of guns in society, read the following.

https://www.gunfacts.info/gun-policy-info/government-gun-laws-and-social-costs/

and as you've tried to indicate above, that people are untrained and poorly practiced, read below

https://www.gunfacts.info/gun-policy-info/accidental-deaths/

more specifically, this FACT: "About 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person — about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person. The odds of a defensive gun user killing an innocent person are less than 1 in 26,000 10 despite American citizens using guns to prevent crimes almost 2,500,000 times every year." - Shall Issue: The New Wave of Concealed Handgun Permit Laws, C. Cramer, and D. Kopel, Independence Institute Issue Paper. October 17, 1994
 
you've spent the last few years berating police departments, and police officers in general,

Have I? Really?

and, unlike the founding fathers, you believe only government gives you that?

"well regulated". Oops...gotta ignore that word in the 2A.

I'm a well trained US Marine

I bet.

...........what are you? An incompetent and cowardly moron who begs government agents for protection?

I don't think I need a Gravy Seal protecting me, sarge. Sorry.
 
"well regulated". Oops...gotta ignore that word in the 2A.
when the new Americans ratified the 2nd Amendment, it was very clearly documented and acknowledged that 'well regulated' meant that the individual would have working weapons, good powder and shot, and know how to work in organized units.

what they KNEW was that it did not mean only run by the government.

I don't think I need a Gravy Seal protecting me, sarge. Sorry.

so you'd rather be murdered, or have your wife/daughter raped and murdered, while you wait for that 'policeman' to come save your ass instead of the 'mouth breathing gravy seal' civilian?????
 
when the new Americans ratified the 2nd Amendment, it was very clearly documented and acknowledged that 'well regulated' meant that the individual would have working weapons, good powder and shot, and know how to work in organized units.

"organized units". You know, like lone wolf gunmen shooting little kids in an elementary school. That's what the Founding Fathers envisioned?

what they KNEW was that it did not mean only run by the government.

B-b-b-b-bullshit.

so you'd rather be murdered, or have your wife/daughter raped and murdered, while you wait for that 'policeman' to come save your ass instead of the 'mouth breathing gravy seal' civilian?????

Given that your fantasies of good guys saving people almost never really happens and that in fact most police would say a "good guy with a gun" is more of a danger in an active shooting situation I'm going to go with the police rather than some sub-literate mouthbreather who fetishisizes his guns.

Fewer guns for the mouthbreathers I say.
 
"organized units". You know, like lone wolf gunmen shooting little kids in an elementary school. That's what the Founding Fathers envisioned?
you're seriously trying to equate a single mentally ill individual as an 'organized unit'????? are you dense or just obtuse?

B-b-b-b-bullshit.
there are dozens of historical pieces of documentation to back up what i've said. what do you have?

Given that your fantasies of good guys saving people almost never really happens and that in fact most police would say a "good guy with a gun" is more of a danger in an active shooting situation I'm going to go with the police rather than some sub-literate mouthbreather who fetishisizes his guns.

Fewer guns for the mouthbreathers I say.

gunfacts.info. I suggest you get some facts in your life instead of your paranoid and delusional rants about guns
 
you're seriously trying to equate a single mentally ill individual as an 'organized unit'????? are you dense or just obtuse?

Nope. But apparently you are. LOL.

there are dozens of historical pieces of documentation to back up what i've said. what do you have?

The knowledge that that isn't true. :)

gunfacts.info. I suggest you get some facts in your life instead of your paranoid and delusional rants about guns

LOL. Sorry, ammosexual, not my kink.
 
Nope. But apparently you are. LOL.

The knowledge that that isn't true. :)

LOL. Sorry, ammosexual, not my kink.

i'll just accept that you have your stupid assed and incorrect story and are sticking to it. you need to wear shirts that say 'do not protect me with your gun, mouthbreather'. that way we can laugh at you as you get your ass beat
 
i'll just accept that you have your stupid assed and incorrect story and are sticking to it. you need to wear shirts that say 'do not protect me with your gun, mouthbreather'. that way we can laugh at you as you get your ass beat

LOL.

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what this does tell me, though, is that like other people terrified of freedom, you have to make that concerted effort to demean and denigrate your fellow American to cover up your own inadequacies and incompetency.

you can get professional help for that projection though.
 
what this does tell me, though, is that like other people terrified of freedom, you have to make that concerted effort to demean and denigrate your fellow American to cover up your own inadequacies and incompetency.

you can get professional help for that projection though.

And you didn't find your posts to be demeaning? LOL. Selective outrage.
 
when the new Americans ratified the 2nd Amendment, it was very clearly documented and acknowledged that 'well regulated' meant that the individual would have working weapons, good powder and shot, and know how to work in organized units.

what they KNEW was that it did not mean only run by the government.



so you'd rather be murdered, or have your wife/daughter raped and murdered, while you wait for that 'policeman' to come save your ass instead of the 'mouth breathing gravy seal' civilian?????

Not correct.

Let's look at the 2nd Amendment again, shall we?

2nd Amendment said:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The right of self defense is inherent. This is true for both an individual and for any government or for any group of people.
The 2nd amendment discusses two related rights, and no State nor the federal government may infringe upon these rights.

1) The right of a State to protect itself by organizing a militia. These are well regulated, led by the governor of that State as chief officer. It's purpose is to defend the State and the people in it.
2) The right of an individual (the people) to protect themselves by keeping and bearing arms (weapons). This is not the militia...it is every individual as an individual. These are not well regulated. They are the citizens themselves.

Neither right shall be infringed.

NOTHING gives the right for people to form private militias, and indeed it is specifically banned in many States.
NOTHING in the 2nd amendment describes any weapon by type, size, manufacturer, size of magazine, how 'scary' it looks, what color it is, what accessory it may have, etc.
NOTHING specifies the weapon must be a gun nor prohibits the weapon from being any type of gun.
ANY law that restricts ANY weapon from the people is an infringement. That includes restricting ANY accessory.

The 5th amendment prohibits the government from requiring you to file evidence against yourself with them that you own a gun. The government has no authority to collect such information, since that information's only use is to to infringe via the 2nd amendment.

The 2nd amendment applies to both the federal government and all State governments. The States agreed to this when they joined the Union. Almost every State constitution reiterates the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

The right of self defense is inherent. It does not come from the Constitution. Everyone has the right to defend themselves with whatever means are available. Yes...this means prisoners too. Even animals have this right. No matter how oppressive a government, this right cannot be taken away.

The 2nd amendment is there to specifically prohibit the federal and State governments from attempting to mess with this right.
 
what this does tell me, though, is that like other people terrified of freedom, you have to make that concerted effort to demean and denigrate your fellow American to cover up your own inadequacies and incompetency.

you can get professional help for that projection though.

Bingo.
 
Have I? Really?



"well regulated". Oops...gotta ignore that word in the 2A.



I bet.



I don't think I need a Gravy Seal protecting me, sarge. Sorry.

In fact "well-regulated militia being necessary for the preservation of a free state" is the first part of the amendment. It is the most important part of it and is the reason the 2nd part followed. The last part is subordinate and dependent upon the need for a regulated militia. We do not need guns. We have a standing army and a well-regulated militia is also not needed. The 2nd amendment should be deleted.
 
Not correct.

Let's look at the 2nd Amendment again, shall we?

The right of self defense is inherent. This is true for both an individual and for any government or for any group of people.
The 2nd amendment discusses two related rights, and no State nor the federal government may infringe upon these rights.

1) The right of a State to protect itself by organizing a militia. These are well regulated, led by the governor of that State as chief officer. It's purpose is to defend the State and the people in it

US Constitution, Art 1, Sec 10, paragraph 3.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

The people themselves are the ONLY militia available to the states, not government regulated military units.
 
In fact "well-regulated militia being necessary for the preservation of a free state" is the first part of the amendment. It is the most important part of it and is the reason the 2nd part followed. The last part is subordinate and dependent upon the need for a regulated militia. We do not need guns. We have a standing army and a well-regulated militia is also not needed. The 2nd amendment should be deleted.

everything you've said is wrong.
 
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