The Constitution protects Trumps tax returns

[Althea]

Watch how many lefties actually respond to the question "Are you trying to justify infringing on Trump's 4th amendment right?" Silence is a picture worth a thousand words.

Save it for your 'deep state' delusional buddies. trump has so many conflicts of interest, given that he's the only POTUS who refused to separate himself from his business interests. The govt. needs to know exactly what those conflicts are.

As if it isn't evident.

 

[Nordberg]

Are you trying to justify infringing on Trump's 4th amendment right?

Explaining the facts and laws to an obdurate and dishonest righty. The 4th talks about unreasonable searches. If the Ways and Means are doing their job and need the taxes, it is by definition reasonable.

 

[Teflon Don]

The simple fact is congress passed a law after the Teapot Dome scandal in 1924. It says the head of the IRS shall provide tax data that is requested by the Ways and Means Committee. The law says Shall, not may. It is legal and inarguable. It was passed to allow the house to perform its oversight function to fight corruption. In short, this is a pefect application of that power. Trump is corrupt and trying to hide the tracks of his crimes. You rightys want his to escape answering for what he has done. You ought to be ashamed .
It is not making them public but giving them to the group that actually crafts and deals with Tax law. Ways and Means deals with taxation, international trade, and customs duties.
You rightys are flailing again.

Such a crock of shit

How many times has Congress exercised the power?

 

[Teflon Don]

It is so funny seeing leftists act like they are experts on this law when there isn’t one of them that was aware of it before this year

They continually make fools of themselves

 

[Nordberg]

It is so funny seeing leftists act like they are experts on this law when there isn’t one of them that was aware of it before this year

They continually make fools of themselves

What do you base that statement on? Did you do a survey? Nope, just making it up. However there are millions of laws, When something arises, you are moved to do research. Then you find the relevant law. Do you think that makes the law not count? You are making a fool out of yourself again.

 

[Teflon Don]

What do you base that statement on? Did you do a survey? Nope, just making it up. However there are millions of laws, When something arises, you are moved to do research. Then you find the relevant law. Do you think that makes the law not count? You are making a fool out of yourself again.

You didn’t do research and look up this law. It was spoon fed to you

Stop lying.

But, hey if you have done all this research maybe you can tell me how many times Congress has used it.

 

[archives]

Are you still trying to justify infringing on Trump's 4th amendment right?

Nothing personal there "E," but I am amazed how little conservatives actually understand the Constitution they so often praise

First off, no Constitutional right, none, First, Second or Fourth, are absolute, never have been, and never will be

Second, you seem to have forgotten a key element in the Amendment, "upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Article I, Section 8, Clause 18, gives the Oversight Committee the authority to subpoena Trump's taxes and Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 gives them cause

And lastly, it doesn't matter, the whole thing will be buried in the Courts for years, that is what Trump does with all his challenges, he doesn't have an army of attorneys and "fixers" on retainer for nothing. However, as long as the issue is alive the question of what is he hiding grows, and when coupled with is soon to be the heavily retracted Barr Report, the concern over Trump's trustworthiness and honesty will only escalate.

In other words, none of it is going to benefit Trump, and even Fox won't be able to deflect the questions

 

[Nordberg]

You didn’t do research and look up this law. It was spoon fed to you

Stop lying.

But, hey if you have done all this research maybe you can tell me how many times Congress has used it.

Spoon fed? by who? I need to know. It was designed for cases like this. We want our executive branch not to be corrupt. You are apparently not bothered by crooks in office. We went fronm a terrible corrupt administration and created a law to protect us from them. We have had shaky admins since, but nothing like this one. Not only a crooked president but one that has been dealing with foreign countries.

 

[Evmetro]

Nothing personal there "E," but I am amazed how little conservatives actually understand the Constitution they so often praise

First off, no Constitutional right, none, First, Second or Fourth, are absolute, never have been, and never will be

Second, you seem to have forgotten a key element in the Amendment, "upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Article I, Section 8, Clause 18, gives the Oversight Committee the authority to subpoena Trump's taxes and Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 gives them cause

And lastly, it doesn't matter, the whole thing will be buried in the Courts for years, that is what Trump does with all his challenges, he doesn't have an army of attorneys and "fixers" on retainer for nothing. However, as long as the issue is alive the question of what is he hiding grows, and when coupled with is soon to be the heavily retracted Barr Report, the concern over Trump's trustworthiness and honesty will only escalate.

In other words, none of it is going to benefit Trump, and even Fox won't be able to deflect the questions

Are you trying to justify infringing on Trump's 4th amendment right?

 

[Robo]

Sounds like Trumpf has something to hide, which ultimately will be just as politically damaging, or more so, than simply being as transparent and open as other presidents were in disclosing their financial interests to their constituents.

Is there somebody in Washington that doesn't have something to hide? That would be a novelty, huh?

 

[iolo]

Is there somebody in Washington that doesn't have something to hide? That would be a novelty, huh?

Trumpf goes for superlatives in all things.

 

[Robo]

Unless he is trying to hide something, Trumpf should release his tax returns like every other president of the modern era has.

Why do you want Trumpf's tax returns hidden from public scrutiny?

I suspect that the overwhelming majority of folks in America know exactly why y'all lefties want Trump's tax returns. "NO Collusion, NO Obstruction" but there's still tax returns! It's all about Impeachment, removing Trump from office and overturning a duly elected President who's not a Democrat anymore. I have very serious doubts any Democrat will ever see a Trump tax return except for the one Rachael Maddow cried over showing Trump paid more taxes than Obama.

 

[Robo]

Other than Barr providing a dozen or so words out of a 400 page report, who has claimed the collusion and obstruction thing is done?

I personally say that's done! NO Collusion, NO obstruction, NO indictments, ALL DONE!!!!!

 

[Robo]

The simple fact is congress passed a law after the Teapot Dome scandal in 1924. It says the head of the IRS shall provide tax data that is requested by the Ways and Means Committee. The law says Shall, not may. It is legal and inarguable.

On the contrary! Congress cannot pass unconstitutional laws. The 4th amendment says “NO warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation. Thus the Democrats must show a “probable crime” And support it by an oath or affirmative evidence. The Congressional law isn’t worth the paper it’s written on without such “PROBABLE CAUSE.”

It was passed to allow the house to perform its oversight function to fight corruption.

Democrats aren’t using it to fight corruption, they’re using it as bait for their fishing expedition. Any honest judge will see that and you can bet your ass the Supreme Court will see that.

In short, this is a pefect application of that power.

In short it’s a perfect example of abuse of power!!!!!

Trump is corrupt and trying to hide the tracks of his crimes.

Again! What crimes?????

You rightys want his to escape answering for what he has done.

Done what?????

You ought to be ashamed .

The shame is all yours Nordi pal!!!!!

It is not making them public but giving them to the group that actually crafts and deals with Tax law. Ways and Means deals with taxation, international trade, and customs duties.
You rightys are flailing again.

It’s attempting to put them in the hands of CNN & MSNBC where we all know they’ll all end up if Democrats have their way. Sorry Nordi about exposing your nightly dreams!!!

 

[Robo]

Trump would have voluntarily released his taxes - like every single other modern president has - unless he feels he has something to hide.

I would be astonished if he did anything blatantly illegal on his taxes. But you and I both know his tax returns are going to show that rich guys like Trump have the system gamed to where their effective tax rate ends up being far lower than the tax rates average schmucks making 50 grand a year have to pay.

And that is exactly why you and Trumpf want his taxes hidden from public view. Because it will confirm what most Americans already suspect - rich guys like Trump have the system gamed for themselves. And rich guys like Trump are trying to keep it that way.

But according to y’all Democrats, the law requires that only the Congress can see those tax returns. Otherwise what is the need to report to the public what they already know by your own keyboard? We both know that the only reason the Democrats want to get their grubby paws on Trump’s tax returns is so they can leak anything derogatory to CNN & MSNBC right up to the 2020 election. They want those taxes as their weapon. They want to politicize and weaponize them.

 

[Jarod]

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” (Amendment 4, United States Constitution)

Donald Trump has Zero obligation to open his tax returns to the public or the Congress regardless of any law written by the Congress unless the Congress or any person can show “probable cause” that Donald Trump has committed a crime and that his tax returns can deliver relevant evidence thereto said crime.

Every honest American should know that the Democrat controlled House of the Congress is simply on another witch hunt to pin any kind of crime or embarrassment on DonaldTrump. That doesn’t meet probable cause of a crime. If The Congress committee insist on getting Trump’s tax returns, I think they’re in for a court fight that will last for months if not years and end up in the Right dominated Supreme Court, and never get to see Trump’s taxes. Just sayin!!!

The papers in question are not in the possession of Rump, they have already been submitted to the United States and are the property of the United States.

I agree Rump has no obligation to release his tax returns, the IRS however does have a legal obligation to give them to the Chair of the House Ways and Means Committer.

 

[Legion]

Sounds like Trumpf has something to hide, which ultimately will be just as politically damaging, or more so, than simply being as transparent and open as other presidents were in disclosing their financial interests to their constituents.

"Sounds like."

 

[Legion]

Spoon fed? by who? I need to know. It was designed for cases like this. We want our executive branch not to be corrupt. You are apparently not bothered by crooks in office. We went fronm a terrible corrupt administration and created a law to protect us from them. We have had shaky admins since, but nothing like this one. Not only a crooked president but one that has been dealing with foreign countries.

I don't recall you moaning about corruption during the Clinton Administration or B. Hussein Obama's Reign of Error.

 

[Legion]

Rump has no obligation to release his tax returns, the IRS however does have a legal obligation to give them to the Chair of the House Ways and Means Committer.

Who told you that?

 

[Legion]

You haven't explained why you fear having Trumpf's tax returns made public, like all other presidents of the modern era have done. What is the source of your fear?

"All other presidents of the modern era" allowed ten years worth of their tax returns to be released?