The Coronavirus is exploding almost exclusively in red states

Woko Haram said:
The reason our healthcare system is a mess is because of the insurance industry. As soon as they hijacked the market and made it very difficult for doctors or healthcare networks to set up their own payment methods, the results were bound to be bad.

If there's any industry I'd be ok with nationalizing, it would be insurance. It's the only industry where the supplier makes more money from denial of service than providing it. So I guess that's one of the few socialist views I hold.
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The entire concept of for-profit healthcare makes it ripe for grifters. The insurance industry does not provide healthcare. They take mega billions out of the system to fight and deny healthcare. They have no product, just the ability to deny you healthcare if you do not pay them first. They decide what your treatments are, what doctors you can use, and what hospitals and medications they will permit. They hire doctors to find ways to deny your treatments. Anyone who ever dealt with a serious illness in America knows about the endless phone calls, letters, and emails you have to do to get the treatment doctors say you need. Often you just do not get it because the insurance company will not allow it. Why we tolerate this abuse is a mystery.
 
Woko Haram said:
Your reading comprehension must be lacking. The last sentence of the post is key: Since the spread really hit the South later, this coincides with increased activity due to warmer weather.

Also, you must have glossed over the isolation fatigue I mentioned.
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Yes, I can read. Apparently you forgot what you wrote:

"A much stronger correlation is with regard to climate. Almost all of the states with rising rates are warmer in climate. The cooler states have lower rates."

That is utter and complete nonsense.

The correlation is the Governor of the party in charge.
 
Hello Concart,

Concart said:
Yes, I can read. Apparently you forgot what you wrote:

"A much stronger correlation is with regard to climate. Almost all of the states with rising rates are warmer in climate. The cooler states have lower rates."

That is utter and complete nonsense.

The correlation is the Governor of the party in charge.
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GA governor has told cities they cannot prevent the spread of COVID-19.

Apparently, he seems to think the more people who get sick, the better.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Concart,



GA governor has told cities they cannot prevent the spread of COVID-19.

Apparently, he seems to think the more people who get sick, the better.
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Agreed. And DeSantis still has not mandated masks, or closed restaurants, gyms, and salons. Which is absolutely stunning. Florida will continue to see this disaster get worse, as will most of those other states. Because for some bizarre reason, Republican Governors continue to kowtow to a guy with a 40% approval rating, and a SEVENTY PERCENT disapproval rating on his handling of the pandemic. And that is only going to get worse. Every one of these guys is going to have their butts voted out of office. It might be the dumbest political calculation ever, and it's grossly negligent.
 
Woko Haram said:
That might fit some people, but speaking for myself, I don't like socialism specifically because of the cycle of dependency it encourages and the usual rise in taxation.

Politicians on the left here often try to sell more social programs with the idea that the rich should pay more in taxes to pay for it. What they fail to mention is that most countries that implement wide ranging social programs like NHS's tax everyone more, not just the rich.
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Yes, but the working-class doesn't pay nearly as much as the rich and they end up with better health care than in America. They also get more vacation time, which is probably why Europeans report having more life satisfaction.
But most importantly to this discussion is the safety net that exists in other first world countries. American Conservatives think there shouldn't be a safety net. Until they actually need it themselves, of course.

If Democrats actually sold socialized medicine on the premise that everyone would pay more in taxes, it would be more honest and reflective of how these other countries operate. Granted, they don't usually mention that, because it wouldn't win votes.
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Bernie Sanders did. He pointed out exactly how even with our taxes going up, we'd still be saving money.
But he was sidelined because, despite what the Fascists here say, the DNC is a centrist party, not a liberal party.
 
StoneByStone said:
Yes, but the working-class doesn't pay nearly as much as the rich and they end up with better health care than in America. They also get more vacation time, which is probably why Europeans report having more life satisfaction.
But most importantly to this discussion is the safety net that exists in other first world countries. American Conservatives think there shouldn't be a safety net. Until they actually need it themselves, of course.



Bernie Sanders did. He pointed out exactly how even with our taxes going up, we'd still be saving money.
But he was sidelined because, despite what the Fascists here say, the DNC is a centrist party, not a liberal party.
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I agree on where the party is today. Or, at the very least, that's what the DNC has to pretend to be, and what the grass roots are stuck with. There is only one issue in the upcoming election, and that's Donald J. Trump. Biden was not my first choice, or even close to it (although I would prefer Warren over Bernie as a progressive, that's largely picking nits). At this point, the party needs a safe choice that will give suburban voters and black voters a reason to go to the polls and get rid of the stench in the White House. I don't think Bernie, or Warren, or Mayor Pete would have been able to do that. The most important thing in this election is turnout.

Bottom line, I think the party is moving left, and will continue to do so. Biden is likely the last of the old white guy candidates the Democrats are going to run. Sorry to say, Bernie isn't going to President. It is what it is.
 
Hello Concart,

Concart said:
Agreed. And DeSantis still has not mandated masks, or closed restaurants, gyms, and salons. Which is absolutely stunning. Florida will continue to see this disaster get worse, as will most of those other states. Because for some bizarre reason, Republican Governors continue to kowtow to a guy with a 40% approval rating, and a SEVENTY PERCENT disapproval rating on his handling of the pandemic. And that is only going to get worse. Every one of these guys is going to have their butts voted out of office. It might be the dumbest political calculation ever, and it's grossly negligent.
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I hate to see how tragically this crisis is exploding. The only silver lining is that that is what it took to get people to wake up to the utter indifference to life rampant in Trump's Republican Party.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Concart,



I hate to see how tragically this crisis is exploding. The only silver lining is that that is what it took to get people to wake up to the utter indifference to life rampant in Trump's Republican Party.
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I agree that Trump cannot recover from this. Florida, 12,478 new cases in the last 24 hours, 84 deaths. We will pass New York in a little over a week as the state with the most cases.
 
StoneByStone said:
Yes, but the working-class doesn't pay nearly as much as the rich and they end up with better health care than in America. They also get more vacation time, which is probably why Europeans report having more life satisfaction.
But most importantly to this discussion is the safety net that exists in other first world countries. American Conservatives think there shouldn't be a safety net. Until they actually need it themselves, of course.



Bernie Sanders did. He pointed out exactly how even with our taxes going up, we'd still be saving money.
But he was sidelined because, despite what the Fascists here say, the DNC is a centrist party, not a liberal party.
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Our corporations pay the cost of healthcare and managing the system. They have to compete with international companies that do not have that cost. It is easy to see how our healthcare system makes them less competitive. There is nothing that recommends our system.
 
Nordberg said:
Our corporations pay the cost of healthcare and managing the system. They have to compete with international companies that do not have that cost. It is easy to see how our healthcare system makes them less competitive. There is nothing that recommends our system.
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That's another thing people forget. The world has changed a lot in terms of globalization. Maybe this system worked better when our companies rarely competed with companies from around the world, but today that's the reality.
 
Nordberg said:
The entire concept of for-profit healthcare makes it ripe for grifters. The insurance industry does not provide healthcare. They take mega billions out of the system to fight and deny healthcare. They have no product, just the ability to deny you healthcare if you do not pay them first. They decide what your treatments are, what doctors you can use, and what hospitals and medications they will permit. They hire doctors to find ways to deny your treatments. Anyone who ever dealt with a serious illness in America knows about the endless phone calls, letters, and emails you have to do to get the treatment doctors say you need. Often you just do not get it because the insurance company will not allow it. Why we tolerate this abuse is a mystery.
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I agree. Although the reason we tolerate it isn't a mystery at all. It's because insurance owns both parties.
 
Concart said:
Yes, I can read. Apparently you forgot what you wrote:

"A much stronger correlation is with regard to climate. Almost all of the states with rising rates are warmer in climate. The cooler states have lower rates."

That is utter and complete nonsense.

The correlation is the Governor of the party in charge.
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You just showed your lack of comprehension again. I started out the post with that statement as an illustration of how correlation doesn't mean much without analysis. You began this thread trying to make this a political thing, so I threw out my own equivalent of it, but then I explained a related concept -- outside activity.

The difference between your assumption and my assumption is that I focused on the actions of the general public rather than the government. A state can pass whatever policies it wants to, but because we don't live in a police state, ultimately, policies are only as effective as the public allows them to be.

There have been plenty of restrictions put into place in both blue and red states, but again, after a certain amount of time, people stop following restrictions as closely because they get tired of it. This lack of compliance is a much more logical reason for why the spread is happening than to just point the finger at governors.
 
StoneByStone said:
Yes, but the working-class doesn't pay nearly as much as the rich and they end up with better health care than in America. They also get more vacation time, which is probably why Europeans report having more life satisfaction.
But most importantly to this discussion is the safety net that exists in other first world countries. American Conservatives think there shouldn't be a safety net. Until they actually need it themselves, of course.

Bernie Sanders did. He pointed out exactly how even with our taxes going up, we'd still be saving money.
But he was sidelined because, despite what the Fascists here say, the DNC is a centrist party, not a liberal party.
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I don't mean this in an offensive way, but I'm surprised you haven't moved to a different country. You're clearly a lot further to the left than the mainstream here. There are tons of Western countries that probably better fit your preferences, with the exception of your view on race.

I also mention this because, when I held views similar to your own, I had considered moving to Canada. It never happened, however, because eventually, I became conservative.
 
Woko Haram said:
I don't mean this in an offensive way, but I'm surprised you haven't moved to a different country. You're clearly a lot further to the left than the mainstream here. There are tons of Western countries that probably better fit your preferences, with the exception of your view on race.

I also mention this because, when I held views similar to your own, I had considered moving to Canada. It never happened, however, because eventually, I became conservative.
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I might be moving to Germany soon. Ethnic Nationalism may not be common there, but Germany isn't going to become multiracial anytime soon.
 
Concart said:
Based on new cases per million, here are the states with more than 300 per million population:

Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida.

That's it folks. 12 states with new cases totaling more than 300 per million population. Exactly ONE of those states was won by Clinton in 2016 (Nevada, where she was actually behind in the last polls)

This spike in coronavirus cases corresponds geographically with a red state map. Of course. Because the governors of those states blew through CDC guidelines for re-opening in service of the moron in the Oval Office. Good luck in November, Death Cult.

https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-daily-positive-cases
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It's exploding everywhere. It's a pandemic.
 
Guille said:
It's exploding everywhere. It's a pandemic.
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No it isn’t. Some states have done much better than others. This is an objective measure. Where there are Republicans in charge there are more cases. Why? Opening too early. Anti mask sentiment.
 
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