The founders said we are a democracy

[Into the Night]

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/elections/right-to-vote/the-founders-and-the-vote/


At first the states were allowed to decide who could vote






The Founders and the Vote
In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed."


James Madison, President of the United States
But how would Americans consent to be governed? Who should vote? How should they vote? The founders wrestled with these questions. They wondered about the rights of minorities. In their day, that meant worrying if the rights of property owners would be overrun by the votes of those who did not own land. James Madison described the problem this way:

The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. The regulation of it is, at the same time, a task of peculiar delicacy. Allow the right [to vote] exclusively to property [owners], and the rights of persons may be oppressed... . Extend it equally to all, and the rights of property [owners] ...may be overruled by a majority without property....

Eventually, the framers of the Constitution left details of voting to the states. In Article I Section 4, the Constitution says:

The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations.

Unfortunately, leaving election control to individual states led to unfair voting practices in the U.S. At first, white men with property were the only Americans routinely permitted to vote. President Andrew Jackson, champion of frontiersmen, helped advance the political rights of those who did not own property. By about 1860, most white men without property were enfranchised. But African Americans, women, Native Americans, non-English speakers, and citizens between the ages of 18 and 21 had to fight for the right to vote in this country.

Only citizens can vote.

 

[BidenPresident]

We are a democracy except for one notable exception, the electoral college. If you run for dog catcher in Walla Walla, the one with the most votes wins. If you run for class president, it is the count that matters. The President of a union is the one with the most votes.
Yes, ITN sock, we are a Democracy and that is good. The majority rules. To say that is wrong says minority rule is better.

Right wingers hate democracy.

 

[Into the Night]

Kill It Before the Illiterate Liberal Language Lords Mandate Your #StupidSpeak Definition

That's not what "paradox" means. It is an unexpected conclusion that is true on a more advanced level of logic, such as (if true) lowering tax rates will increase tax revenue.

A paradox is two or more conflicting arguments. Arguing both sides of a paradox is irrational.

 

[Into the Night]

We are a democracy

The United States was never a democracy. No State is a democracy.

except for one notable exception, the electoral college.

Not an exception.

If you run for dog catcher in Walla Walla, the one with the most votes wins.

Not an elected position in Walla Walla.

If you run for class president, it is the count that matters.

Democracies have no representatives.

The President of a union is the one with the most votes.

Democracies have no representatives.

Yes, ITN sock, we are a Democracy

Not a sock. The United States was never a democracy.

and that is good.

Democracies are not a good form of government. There is no constitution. There are no representatives. It is mob rule. It soon dissolves into an oligarchy or dictatorship.

The majority rules.

Mob rule, like I said.

To say that is wrong says minority rule is better.

False dichotomy fallacy. Redefinition fallacy (democracy<->republic). Discard of the Constitution of the United States. Discard of all State constitutions.

 

[Into the Night]

Right wingers hate democracy.

A democracy is a terrible form of government. It is unstable. It usually dissolves into an oligarchy or dictatorship pretty quickly.

 

[Nordberg]

The United States was never a democracy. No State is a democracy.

Not an exception.

Not an elected position in Walla Walla.

Democracies have no representatives.

Democracies have no representatives.

Not a sock. The United States was never a democracy.

Democracies are not a good form of government. There is no constitution. There are no representatives. It is mob rule. It soon dissolves into an oligarchy or dictatorship.

Mob rule, like I said.

False dichotomy fallacy. Redefinition fallacy (democracy<->republic). Discard of the Constitution of the United States. Discard of all State constitutions.

Every time I think you cannot make less sense and be less logical you prove me wrong. That is a post of some of the dumbest shit I ever read.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

You are describing yourself again. Inversion fallacy.

I'm certain you know the Latin for that:Ego sum Flexilis, tu gluten. Quid me resilit tibi haeret.

(I'm rubber, you're glue. What bounces off me, sticks to you.)

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I'm certain you know the Latin for that:Ego sum Flexilis, tu gluten. Quid me resilit tibi haeret.

(I'm rubber, you're glue. What bounces off me, sticks to you.)

Dutch Perry says he not a third grader........nobody believes him.....

 

[Into the Night]

Every time I think you cannot make less sense and be less logical you prove me wrong. That is a post of some of the dumbest shit I ever read.

...annnnd back to your usual insults.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm certain you know the Latin for that:Ego sum Flexilis, tu gluten. Quid me resilit tibi haeret.

(I'm rubber, you're glue. What bounces off me, sticks to you.)

Fallacy fallacy. Random phrases. No apparent coherency.

 

[Lao Tse]

If you need a cheerleader then find a cheerleader....I am a truth teller.

 

[Nordberg]

There is no such thing as a 'representative democracy'. Democracies have no representatives. There is no such thing as a 'direct democracy'. There is only a democracy, which is government by popular vote.
A republic is not a democracy. The phrase 'constitutional republic' is redundant.

You vote for someone and they get electors who represent the majority vote. Then those electors go vote. That , they REPRESENT you and your vote.

 

[Nordberg]

Only citizens can vote.

That should tell you something about the veracity of those who stupidly and dishonestly claim that immigrants can cross the border and vote. For once, you are right. They cannot.

 

[Into the Night]

You vote for someone and they get electors who represent the majority vote. Then those electors go vote. That , they REPRESENT you and your vote.

Not a democracy.

 

[Into the Night]

That should tell you something about the veracity of those who stupidly and dishonestly claim that immigrants can cross the border and vote. For once, you are right. They cannot.

But they do...illegally. They are paid to do so by Democrats.

 

[Nordberg]

But they do...illegally. They are paid to do so by Democrats.

You cannot be that stupid, can you? They are not qualified to vote. They can not get a voter's registration. You have to prove citizenship and have a fixed address so they can send your voter's card and assign you a precinct. Do you know anything?
From their viewpoint, they come here for jobs to support themselves and their families. Why would they risk that to vote in an election they have no knowledge about? If you crossed the border to Mexico, who would you vote for? What, you know nothing about the parties and candidates? But somehow you think the border crossers are dying to vote for Dems. Sometimes your stupidity is shocking.

 

[Into the Night]

You cannot be that stupid, can you? They are not qualified to vote.

Irrelevant. They vote anyway. Often several times.

They can not get a voter's registration.

They use the fake registrations provided by Democrats.

You have to prove citizenship and have a fixed address so they can send your voter's card and assign you a precinct. Do you know anything?

They use the fake registrations provided by Democrats.

From their viewpoint, they come here for jobs to support themselves and their families.

And getting paid to vote over and over for Democrats is part of that.

Why would they risk that

Risk what??? They are ILLEGAL ALIENS! They are paid to vote by Democrats.

to vote in an election they have no knowledge about?

They don't need it.

If you crossed the border to Mexico, who would you vote for?

RQAA.

What, you know nothing about the parties and candidates? But somehow you think the border crossers are dying to vote for Dems. Sometimes your stupidity is shocking.

They are paid to vote by the Democrats.

 

[Nordberg]

Irrelevant. They vote anyway. Often several times.

They use the fake registrations provided by Democrats.

They use the fake registrations provided by Democrats.

And getting paid to vote over and over for Democrats is part of that.

Risk what??? They are ILLEGAL ALIENS! They are paid to vote by Democrats.

They don't need it.

RQAA.

They are paid to vote by the Democrats.

Are you honestly stupid enough to believe that absurd crap, or are you just fucking around.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you honestly stupid enough to believe that absurd crap, or are you just fucking around.

Try to deny it all you want. It won't work.

 

[Nordberg]

Try to deny it all you want. It won't work.

I show you why what you say is wrong and you have no retort of value. All you do is say you are right and all the information showing you are wrong does not matter. You are as low a level debater as we have here. You offer nothing.