BidenPresident
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I never cared about free speech. Only defined by Const. as the government preventing something from being published--technical, legal issues. Nothing about making a private company post your comments on their website.
The founders said we are a democracy
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I never cared about free speech. Only defined by Const. as the government preventing something from being published--technical, legal issues. Nothing about making a private company post your comments on their website.
I think you are confusing free speech with free press about something being published.
None of the Bill of Rights applies to private entities. It originally only applied to the federal government but has since been expanded so that most, but not all, of the rights also restrict states.
BidenPresident
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I am not confused.
Into the Night
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There is no such thing as a 'representative democracy'. Democracies have no representatives. Redefinition fallacy (democracy<->republic).
Into the Night
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They never were.
Into the Night
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You deny and discard the Constitution. Don't try to hide behind the document you despise.
Into the Night
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WRONG.
The 1st amendment does not apply to the States.
The 2nd through 10th amendments apply to the States.
Further, it is NOT a violation of the 1st amendment for Congress to pass a law requiring a ban on censorship in private business.
Into the Night
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Congress has no authority to pass any law banning or restricting speech, or anything printed by the press.
Free press prohibits government using prior restraint to prohibit something from being published.
Free speech prohibits government from restricting free speech (dealing with public issues). There are several exceptions for free speech but free press is more absolute.
BidenPresident
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I said nothing about it being only about the press. You wrongly inferred that.
BartenderElite
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That's actually incorrect. There are several different forms of democracy.
And America is a democracy. Indisputably.
Saint Guinefort
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Nah, Into The Night usually just takes one phrase out of a post and claims that thing doesn't exist. I've seen him deny basic science right and left. He probably doesn't understand anything so he does this with everything.
I didn't infer it. You specifically defined free speech as:
"Only defined by Const. as the government preventing something from being published--technical, legal issues.
Only free press applies to published materials. I'm not sure what you are referring to by "technical, legal issues."
BidenPresident
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oh god, waste of time with you
evince
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It’s either an insane person or a foreign bot hole
Saint Guinefort
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Not insane. Just lame. A dude who fancies himself a whole lot smarter than he actually is. Probably was that guy in all the classes who THOUGHT he knew more than all the faculty. You know the type...they usually can't complete a degree because, well, they aren't that sharp.
But they talk so loud and so proud.
He's pretty "basic".
evince
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
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Main articles: History of direct democracy in the United States and Initiatives and referendums in the United States
In the New England region of the United States, towns in states such as Vermont decide local affairs through the direct democratic process of the town meeting.[35] This is the oldest form of direct democracy in the United States, and predates the founding of the country by at least a century.
Direct democracy was not what the framers of the United States Constitution envisioned for the nation. They saw a danger in tyranny of the majority. As a result, they advocated a representative democracy in the form of a constitutional republic over a direct democracy. For example, James Madison, in Federalist No. 10, advocates a constitutional republic over direct democracy precisely to protect the individual from the will of the majority. He says,
United States
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Main articles: History of direct democracy in the United States and Initiatives and referendums in the United States
In the New England region of the United States, towns in states such as Vermont decide local affairs through the direct democratic process of the town meeting.[35] This is the oldest form of direct democracy in the United States, and predates the founding of the country by at least a century.
Direct democracy was not what the framers of the United States Constitution envisioned for the nation. They saw a danger in tyranny of the majority. As a result, they advocated a representative democracy in the form of a constitutional republic over a direct democracy. For example, James Madison, in Federalist No. 10, advocates a constitutional republic over direct democracy precisely to protect the individual from the will of the majority. He says,
evince
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The republicans USE the fact that the word democracy had a more limited definition at that moment to further the Lie that America is not a Democracy
That is why the refuse to say Democratic Party
They say Democrat party
So it sounds less like democracy
They don’t even have the honesty to use the CORRECT NAME
They hate democracy and are trying to demean and kill it here
That is why the refuse to say Democratic Party
They say Democrat party
So it sounds less like democracy
They don’t even have the honesty to use the CORRECT NAME
They hate democracy and are trying to demean and kill it here
evince
Truthmatters
https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/elections/right-to-vote/the-founders-and-the-vote/
At first the states were allowed to decide who could vote
The Founders and the Vote
In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed."
James Madison, President of the United States
But how would Americans consent to be governed? Who should vote? How should they vote? The founders wrestled with these questions. They wondered about the rights of minorities. In their day, that meant worrying if the rights of property owners would be overrun by the votes of those who did not own land. James Madison described the problem this way:
The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. The regulation of it is, at the same time, a task of peculiar delicacy. Allow the right [to vote] exclusively to property [owners], and the rights of persons may be oppressed... . Extend it equally to all, and the rights of property [owners] ...may be overruled by a majority without property....
Eventually, the framers of the Constitution left details of voting to the states. In Article I Section 4, the Constitution says:
The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations.
Unfortunately, leaving election control to individual states led to unfair voting practices in the U.S. At first, white men with property were the only Americans routinely permitted to vote. President Andrew Jackson, champion of frontiersmen, helped advance the political rights of those who did not own property. By about 1860, most white men without property were enfranchised. But African Americans, women, Native Americans, non-English speakers, and citizens between the ages of 18 and 21 had to fight for the right to vote in this country.
At first the states were allowed to decide who could vote
The Founders and the Vote
In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed."
James Madison, President of the United States
But how would Americans consent to be governed? Who should vote? How should they vote? The founders wrestled with these questions. They wondered about the rights of minorities. In their day, that meant worrying if the rights of property owners would be overrun by the votes of those who did not own land. James Madison described the problem this way:
The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. The regulation of it is, at the same time, a task of peculiar delicacy. Allow the right [to vote] exclusively to property [owners], and the rights of persons may be oppressed... . Extend it equally to all, and the rights of property [owners] ...may be overruled by a majority without property....
Eventually, the framers of the Constitution left details of voting to the states. In Article I Section 4, the Constitution says:
The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations.
Unfortunately, leaving election control to individual states led to unfair voting practices in the U.S. At first, white men with property were the only Americans routinely permitted to vote. President Andrew Jackson, champion of frontiersmen, helped advance the political rights of those who did not own property. By about 1860, most white men without property were enfranchised. But African Americans, women, Native Americans, non-English speakers, and citizens between the ages of 18 and 21 had to fight for the right to vote in this country.
The Sage of Main Street
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Squeaky Wheels From the Horse-and-Buggy Era
The ruling class's Constitution is an anti-democratic manifesto that establishes a pre-owned elitist oligarchy.
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