the founders told us we can collect taxes so shut up

Pay for the common defense and the general welfare is hard to follow? Of course welfare was not invented at that time, so we defined it later. Not much talk about tax shelters or tax havens in there either.
 
Thomas Jefferson on the "general Welfare" clause of the Constitution:

"Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money."
-letter to Albert Gallatin (June 16, 1817)
 
evince said:
taxes are not theft


You are being GIVEN something when you get a tax cut

That money does belong to the people


The founders said so
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If you have 20 bucks, and you don't give it to me, have I given you 20 bucks? Of course not. Don't be fucking retarded.
 
Nordberg said:
Pay for the common defense and the general welfare is hard to follow? Of course welfare was not invented at that time, so we defined it later. Not much talk about tax shelters or tax havens in there either.
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Yeah . . . About that . . . See, that's what the framers called "misconstruction" and the "doctrine of constructive powers". Taking a word, twisting and perverting it so it can be held up to plausibly support government usurping powers.
 
evince said:
U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8



Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
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To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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its in the constiutution guys


the people get to vote in taxes that we all have to pay.

that money is your RENT to be able to use all the infrastructure



allowing you to use it free is a gift to the wealthy


free rent

get it fuck tards
 
evince said:
its in the constiutution guys


the people get to vote in taxes that we all have to pay.

that money is your RENT to be able to use all the infrastructure



allowing you to use it free is a gift to the wealthy


free rent

get it fuck tards
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Who is using anything for free? Tax cuts generate more revenue, and cause the rich to pay an even greater share of the burden.
 
evince said:
what kind of idiot would fall for the idea that collecting less money means you get more money
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The kind that actually looks at the data. I realize it sounds counter intuitive, but facts and figures don't lie. Look at the historical record. These are the government's own numbers, not mine.
 
This paper analyzes presidential candidate Donald Trump’s revised tax proposal, which would significantly reduce marginal tax rates, increase standard deduction amounts, repeal personal exemptions, cap itemized deductions, and allow businesses to elect to expense new investment and not deduct interest expense. His proposal would cut taxes at all income levels, although the largest benefits, in dollar and percentage terms, would go to the highest-income households. Federal revenues would fall by $6.2 trillion over the first decade before accounting for added interest costs. Including interest costs, the federal debt would rise by $7.2 trillion over the first decade and by $20.9 trillion by 2036.



http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-revised-tax-plan
 
countryboy said:
They don't need to, facts and data are what they are. Were you able to find a drop in revenue from a single tax cut? Can you refute the numbers?
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your chart does not prove what you claim asshole


it jsut does not

Lying about that chart makes yu a fucking idiot.



look at what the site you posted a ljnk to says about your stupid tax plans results
 
largest benefits, in dollar and percentage terms, would go to the highest-income households. Federal revenues would fall by $6.2 trillion over the first decade before accounting for added interest costs. Including interest costs, the federal debt would rise by $7.2 trillion over the first decade and by $20.9 trillion by 2036
 
evince said:
This paper analyzes presidential candidate Donald Trump’s revised tax proposal, which would significantly reduce marginal tax rates, increase standard deduction amounts, repeal personal exemptions, cap itemized deductions, and allow businesses to elect to expense new investment and not deduct interest expense. His proposal would cut taxes at all income levels, although the largest benefits, in dollar and percentage terms, would go to the highest-income households. Federal revenues would fall by $6.2 trillion over the first decade before accounting for added interest costs. Including interest costs, the federal debt would rise by $7.2 trillion over the first decade and by $20.9 trillion by 2036.



http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-revised-tax-plan
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That's from over a year ago. It has absolutely nothing to do with the legislation which was just passed. Ironically, the chart I tried to get you to look at is from the same source.
 
no shit sherlock

I told you it was your same source

tell us all the differances in the legislation asshole
 
Impact of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act on Families with Young Children
The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) would reduce tax revenue by nearly $1.5 trillion over the 10-year budget window from FY2018 to FY2027. Analysis by the Tax Policy Center shows that the tax cuts would tilt heavily toward the highest fifth of the income distribution, largely the result of cuts to...
November 28, 2017
Elaine Maag, Julia B. Isaacs


http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/research-commentary?topic_filter=251
 
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