The Historicity of Jesus Christ

[Hume]

I find it odd that I can read the Iliad and Odyssey but almost nothing from Socrates and not a word from Jesus.

Plato used the figure of Socrates for his dialogues. It was not supposed to be the actual words of Socrates.

"One thing is certain about the historical Socrates: even among those who knew him in life, there was profound disagreement about what his actual views and methods were."

Socrates (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

 

[Kafka]

I barely read your stuff. Sorry. Your near obsession with promoting the Christian religion is very boring.

Well that's cool because Cypress can't really read either.

 

[Kafka]

Ahhh, now we've entered the stage where @Cypress's buddy Doc Douche comes on and they bitch to each other about all the other posters.

So sweet.

I bet that isn't the only thing they trade

 

[Kafka]

Who did that report?

Probably Wikipedia.

 

[Cypress]

I find it odd that I can read the Iliad and Odyssey but almost nothing from Socrates and not a word from Jesus.

Writing was uncommon in antiquity.

Short of special environmental and storage conditions, it's almost impossible for anything written on fragile papyrus or parchment to survive for centuries and millennium, unless people went to the bother and expense of making laborious hand written copies over and over through the centuries.

Homer was the primary cultural touchstone for ancient Greece, so people were willing to preserve it through hand written copies over the centuries.

 

[Kafka]

According to what I found on Google, writing was uncommon in antiquity.

Short of special environmental and storage conditions, according to Wikipedia, it's almost impossible for anything written on fragile papyrus or parchment to survive for centuries and millennium, unless people went to the bother and expense of making laborious hand written copies over and over through the centuries.

Homer Simpson was the primary cultural touchstone for ancient Greece, so people were willing to preserve it through hand written copies over the centuries.

I read a lot of stuff about all these ancient people on Wikipedia! It's really a great resource!

Got to agree with what you found on Google and Wikipedia, Cypress. But it's hardly new information. But, hey, good job finding it.

 

[Cypress]

I barely read your stuff. Sorry. Your near obsession with promoting the Christian religion is very boring.

Getting the facts straight is important.

My work here is almost done.

I have gotten militant atheists to admit Jesus was a historical figure, that the Christian writings were not just all legendary accounts written 70 years later, and that the earliest Christian writings go back to the years shortly after the crucifixion and contain reporting and information from eyewitnesses.

 

[Hume]

Getting the facts straight is important.

My work here is almost done.

I have gotten militant atheists to admit Jesus was a historical figure, that the Christian writings were not just all legendary accounts written 70 years later, and that the earliest Christian writings go back to the years shortly after the crucifixion and contain reporting and information from eyewitnesses.

Okay. Obviously I have no interest it this.

 

[Kafka]

Getting the facts straight is important. That's why I always check Wikipedia first!

I have lied non-stop about militant atheists and made up shit about everyone. I'd think I've lied enough for one day. I think Jesus' message was for suckers.

 

[Cypress]

For the same reason you are trying to prove they are wrong. What atheists and theists don't seem to comprehend is that there is no proof. It's all a matter of belief.

The holy rollers want the bible to be literally and factually true in every dimension, and the militant atheists desire to believe the New Testament canon are just mythical legendary accounts that have no basis in primary sources and eyewitnesses.

 

[Kafka]

Okay. Obviously I have no interest it this.

This is IMPORTANT INFORMATION. You should really tell EVERYONE.

 

[Kafka]

The holy rollers want the bible to be literally and factually true in every dimension, and the militant atheists desire to believe the New Testament are just mythical legendary accounts that have no basis in primary sources and eyewitnesses.

Where are these militant atheists you always fight against?

Literally on this forum the ONLY person who ever said Jesus was mythical was, ironically YOU.

YOU made that talking point up out of whole cloth and you debated against that.

That's because you lie all the time.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The holy rollers want the bible to be literally and factually true in every dimension, and the militant atheists desire to believe the New Testament canon are just mythical legendary accounts that have no basis in primary sources and eyewitnesses

Agreed and it explains why they are irrational. They believe so strongly that they both disregard facts and can't accept their own beliefs are unprovable.

 

[Kafka]

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How dare you lie to me! I don't like LIARS!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Here, let me take another shit on this thread like I usually do.
Ahhhhhhhh! There it is! Another Perry masterpiece!!!

Up to your usual standards, I see, Perry.

 

[Cypress]

Plato used the figure of Socrates for his dialogues. It was not supposed to be the actual words of Socrates.

"One thing is certain about the historical Socrates: even among those who knew him in life, there was profound disagreement about what his actual views and methods were."

Socrates (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

The story is that Socrates didn't want to write anything because he thought the spoken word was superior to the written word, and writing could be distorted and misinterpreted.

We actually don't have anything Aristotle wrote either. What we have preserved are lecture notes his students wrote down. That's why they don't read as elegant as Plato's dialouges.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

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Another Perry Phd masterpiece.

 

[Hume]

The story is that Socrates didn't want to write anything because he thought the spoken word was superior to the written word, and writing could be distorted and misinterpreted.

We actually don't have anything Aristotle wrote either. What we have preserved are lecture notes his students wrote down. That's why they don't read as elegant as Plato's dialouges.

No, we have texts considered to be authored by Aristotle.

"In fact, we know that Aristotle wrote dialogues, presumably while still in the Academy, and in their few surviving remnants we are afforded a glimpse of the style Cicero describes. In most of what we possess, unfortunately, we find work of a much less polished character. Rather, Aristotle’s extant works read like what they very probably are: lecture notes, drafts first written and then reworked, ongoing records of continuing investigations, and, generally speaking, in-house compilations intended not for a general audience but for an inner circle of auditors.

Socrates (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

Anyone reading the texts of Aristotle can see the same philosophical style and authority of his thinking.

 

[Kafka]

According to Wikipedia the story is that Socrates didn't want to write anything because he thought the spoken word was superior to the written word, and writing could be distorted and misinterpreted.

We actually don't have anything Aristotle wrote either. What we have preserved are lecture notes his students wrote down. That's why they don't read as elegant as Plato's dialouges. I couldn't find the actual spelling of dialogues on Wikipedia so I wrote something that was pretty close.

You were pretty close.

 

[goat]

Writing was uncommon in antiquity.

Short of special environmental and storage conditions, it's almost impossible for anything written on fragile papyrus or parchment to survive for centuries and millennium, unless people went to the bother and expense of making laborious hand written copies over and over through the centuries.

Homer was the primary cultural touchstone for ancient Greece, so people were willing to preserve it through hand written copies over the centuries.

Philosophical and scientific debates are the best part of JPP. My argument is writing is the reason we know so much about Homer.