the intent of liberals

[Into the Night]

Libertarianism is coffee house bullshit. It sounds almost feasible, but in practice, it is an impossibility. People who claim to be Libertarian are pretty quickly revealed to be something else altogether. You, for example, are a white nationalist, not a libertarian.

Racism. Redefinition fallacy (libertarian<->oligarchy).

 

[Into the Night]

When Republicans control the president and Congress they spend just much as the Democrats. Trump increased the debt almost $8 trillion. When the election neared and the spending bill had $600 in stimulus funds Trump wanted it increased to $2,000. Pelosi called a vote on the $2000 to get their votes on record.

I'm certainly not defending Democrats, just pointing out the alternative is no better.

Trump did not increase the debt. CONGRESS DID. Only the House has authority to increase the debt.

 

[Into the Night]

The WOKE are illiberals, the opposite of liberals.

We are never going to save ourselves without significant numbers of people figuring this out.

The Woke are liberals (Democrats).

 

[Flash]

States do that to deter 3rd parties from running. But, what happens is 3rd parties do run anyway, and causes there to always be a less than 50% vote count for the Democrats and the Republicans.

But, there is always a majority winner even when the race is a 3 way race unless two of the candidates tie. So, it's just a waste of time and money to do a runoff.

In a true Democracy, a winner would have already been decided according to what candidate got the most votes.

The most votes is a plurality. A majority is 50%+1. If a democracy is majority rule then it needs to be a real majority. If the person who gets the most votes wins that means a majority voted against the winner.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't hate you. I'm amused by you. What you want is to implement your 'libertarianism' on an existing society in which white Europeans have all of the advantages. You want to freeze the game. But you can't. I am so much smarter than you that's it's actually laughable. You are nothing more than an angry white guy who thinks government has kept you from being rich. When it is your stupidity, laziness and sloth that hold you back. It is what it is.

Racism. Argument of the Stone fallacy. Word stuffing.

 

[Into the Night]

This statement is nonsense. Why? Because there is an assumption that my only self interest is enriching myself at the expense of others. That's flawed on many levels. The most important flaw in that logic is the belief that people recognize those candidates who will enrich them, when in fact they are easily fooled. In addition, the good of the collective is, in the long run, what benefits ME the most. Which is why I vote AGAINST the party that will enrich me personally the most. I believe that a rising tide lifts all boats. Libertarians are, by definition, utterly selfish.

Paradox. Irrational.

 

[Into the Night]

I didn't call you racist. I called you a white nationalist, because that is exactly what you are. Any other questions? The hatred is all coming from you. Check the mirror.

Racism. Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

States do that to deter 3rd parties from running.

Nothing prevents any party from running.

But, what happens is 3rd parties do run anyway, and causes there to always be a less than 50% vote count for the Democrats and the Republicans.

Nonsense statement. Try English. I think you are trying some kind of bad math.

But, there is always a majority winner even when the race is a 3 way race unless two of the candidates tie. So, it's just a waste of time and money to do a runoff.

Not true, and no, it isn't.

In a true Democracy, a winner would have already been decided according to what candidate got the most votes.

True Scotsman fallacy. Redefinition fallacy. Democracies have no candidates, no representatives, and no constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Put that on the referendum and let's see who wins!

Unconstitutional.

 

[Into the Night]

So you are trying to tell me that the Minority should make the decisions for the majority of voters huh?

That's pretty much what we have now and it sucks!

False dichotomy fallacy. RQAA

 

[Into the Night]

Christianity is, with profound consequences.

Christ is not collapsing.

 

[Into the Night]

The most votes is a plurality. A majority is 50%+1. If a democracy is majority rule then it needs to be a real majority. If the person who gets the most votes wins that means a majority voted against the winner.

Vacuous argument. A democracy has no candidates.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Christ is not collapsing.

My God but you are one insufferable prick.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I am a Libertarian, not a republican. the republican party is not mine. most everyone here should know enough by my posts now to understand that I am anything BUT big government. so stop making bullshit up in your head to make you feel better about your fucked up positions.

If that were true then you can explain why your desire to mass murder Americans conforms to the LP platform here: https://www.lp.org/platform/

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Christ is not collapsing.

My God but you are one insufferable prick.

He's mentally ill. My guess is paranoid schizophrenia.

 

[Walt]

the intent of liberals... Alexander Fraser Tytler

Tytler disagreed with the liberals of his time, that were pro-democracy. He believed it was impossible for a sovereign state to exist without a hereditary sovereign, a monarch, a king. Some democratic control was tolerable, but there needed to be a central monarch to make the system work. The liberals won that debate. America has existed for 200+ years without a monarch.

Then again, Tytler died before America was old enough to really be counted.

He never claimed to know the "intent" of the liberals he thought were wrong. I do not know why you would think he did. As a conservative from more than 200 years ago, he has nothing to say about modern liberals, and little to say about modern conservatives.

 

[RB 60]

I didn't call you racist. I called you a white nationalist, because that is exactly what you are. Any other questions? The hatred is all coming from you. Check the mirror.

na·tion·al·ism
\ ˈna-sh(ə-)nə-ˌli-zəm \
noun
: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

So the love and loyalty to one's homeland (nation) is a bad thing? Better tell that to a Navy SEAL sometime.

 

[Walt]

The United States was never organized as a democracy.

Tytler did not care about the difference between a democracy, and a republic, and did not care about a constitution. He believed that giving people control meant they would vote themselves money from the government. Conversely, he thought a monarch would be careful with the money. He was a monarchist.

Here again, Tytler will use different definitions than we would. He supported monarchs, but opposed dictators. We consider them the same, but he felt that the multigenerational aspect of a monarchy made them different from a dictator. I will not defend this view, I will only report it.

Athens became a dictatorship.

Athens did not become a dictatorship. It was conquered by dictators, but kept some level of democracy in local rule. Within the empires it existed in, it was considered a "free city", allowed to continue its democracy... And more importantly its education.

 

[Concart]

na·tion·al·ism
\ ˈna-sh(ə-)nə-ˌli-zəm \
noun
: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

So the love and loyalty to one's homeland (nation) is a bad thing? Better tell that to a Navy SEAL sometime.

Yes it is bad. That you don’t see it that way speaks volumes. Your paraphrase is for the most part inaccurate. And you skipped right over the white part. Conviently.

 

[Lightbringer]

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” ― Alexander Fraser Tytler

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