The Jesus story destroyed using the christian bible

Paul reported that around 37CE, he had a revelation from God on the road to Damascus. According to his writings, he saw a blinding light, fell to the ground unconscious, heard voices, and became temporarily blinded. During this episode, Jesus appeared to him and spoke to him.

Some say his description is consistent with an epileptic seizure, (Epilepsy, at that time, was thought to indicate possession by a demon—perhaps Paul called his seizure a revelation to avoid the stigma of epilepsy.) Others suggest that Paul had a psychotic episode. It is also possible that Paul was affected by a fireball or meteor passing through the sky which accounts for the blinding light, being knocked to the ground, and temporary blindness.

The first of Paul’s Epistles was written fourteen years later around 52CE. (We have no earlier writings from him and know nothing about what he did for those 14 years.) Paul said that he met Peter and James, the brother of Jesus. However, he reports that he made no attempt to meet and talk with them or any of the other disciples. Just the opposite—there appears to have been a rift between Paul and the people who could have known Jesus. I think Paul and the early Christians had very different opinions about who Jesus was and what he taught.

Paul is quite insistent that he bases his ideas about Christ on his revelation and not upon any eyewitness account told to him.



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When mental illnesses and delusions are used to drive national policy it is very pertinent

True, but that's a slightly different argument.

Just arguing about religion for the sake of argument or trying to convince the other guy your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong is a waste of time.

All you do is cause them to dig in their heels.
 
True, but that's a slightly different argument.

Just arguing about religion for the sake of argument or trying to convince the other guy your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong is a waste of time.

All you do is cause them to dig in their heels.

All the more so, because "beliefs" in a religious context...are nothing but blind guesses about the unknown.

When a person says, "I believe there is a GOD"...that person is actually saying, "It is my blind guess that a GOD EXISTS."

By the same token, a person who says, "I believe there are no gods...they are myths"...is actually saying, "It is my blind guess that no gods exist...that the notion of gods (or a GOD) IS A MYTH.

If everyone would get away from making blind guesses about THAT aspect of the REALITY of existence, the world would be a much nicer place.

Short of that...if we could all get away from calling our blind guesses on these matters "beliefs"...that would go a long way toward helping make the world a better place.

Nothing wrong with blind guesses.
 
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All the more so, because "beliefs" in a religious context...are nothing but blind guesses about the unknown.

When a person says, "I believe there is a GOD"...that person is actually saying, "It is my blind guess that a GOD EXISTS."

By the same token, a person who says, "I believe there are no gods...they are myths"...is actually saying, "It is my blind guess that no gods exist...that the notion of gods (or a GOD) IS A MYTH.

If everyone would get away from making blind guesses about THAT aspect of the REALITY of existence, the world would be a much nicer place.

Short of that...if we could all get away from calling our blind guesses on these matters "beliefs"...that would go a long way toward helping make the world a better place.

Nothing wrong with blind guesses.

I have no problem calling blind guesses "beliefs", just stop calling them "facts".

Don't be so insecure that you can't admit that we as humans don't know shit about anything beyond our five physical senses.
 
True, but that's a slightly different argument.

Just arguing about religion for the sake of argument or trying to convince the other guy your beliefs are right and theirs are wrong is a waste of time.

All you do is cause them to dig in their heels.

Actually, thousands of atheists come to know Chist every day. They hear God's word and they believe. So, it's not pointless at all. Is it?
 
I have no problem calling blind guesses "beliefs", just stop calling them "facts".

What the hell are you talking about here, Nomad?

It is my position that anything called a "belief" about the existence or non-existence of a GOD or gods...

...is nothing but a blind guess. I think blind guesses ought to be called blind guesses.

Don't be so insecure that you can't admit that we as humans don't know shit about anything beyond our five physical senses.

What the hell are you talking about here, Nomad?

I am not insecure about anything on this issue. I have set out my position several times. Here it is again:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.


If you want to make blind guesses on the issue...and call those blind guesses something else...do it.

I think it sucks to do so.
 
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