The Jesus story destroyed using the christian bible

Grugore said:
Since liberalism is completely opposed to the teachings of Christ, I would have to say yes they are.
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The teachings of Jesus are antithetical to American conservatism.

For the most part...the teachings of Jesus comport well with a progressive agenda.
 
Grugore said:
Actually, thousands of atheists come to know Chist every day. They hear God's word and they believe. So, it's not pointless at all. Is it?
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Nothing wrong with atheists changing their blind guesses from "there are no gods" to "there is a GOD...AND jESUS IS IT."

Blind guesses are just blind guesses.
 
Christianity/religion, the bible and the constitution in american society are not things we frame our lives accordingly to, and society upon, or are guided by. They are blunt instruments for bludgeoning each other with.
 
Grugore said:
Actually, thousands of atheists come to know Chist every day. They hear God's word and they believe. So, it's not pointless at all. Is it?
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Imagine the conversion rates if folks actually saw christians living the teachings of Christ in their daily lives as opposed to all the browbeating self-aggrandizing peacherism. As it is, I would suggest self-professed christians begin openly living according to the teachings of Christ; show me.
 
Grugore said:
People believe in God because of evidence. There is no guessing involved.
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Horse shit.

There is no "evidence" that logically can be considered "evidence that any gods exist."

There also is no "evidence" that logically can be considered "evidence that no gods exist."
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Imagine the conversion rates if folks actually saw christians living the teachings of Christ in their daily lives as opposed to all the browbeating self-aggrandizing peacherism. As it is, I would suggest self-professed christians begin openly living according to the teachings of Christ; show me.
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It would indeed be a blessing if the so-called "Christians" of America...would start living according to the teachings of Jesus.

For the most part they don't...especially the most vocal...the "conservative" christians.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Horse shit.

There is no "evidence" that logically can be considered "evidence that any gods exist."

There also is no "evidence" that logically can be considered "evidence that no gods exist."
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Really? If there is no God, then where did the physical universe come from? Where did the laws of physics come from? Where does consciousness come from? Where do love and hate come from? What about art and music? Why do we create and enjoy it? The Bible explains all of it. Science can explain none of it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
What the hell are you talking about here, Nomad?

It is my position that anything called a "belief" about the existence or non-existence of a GOD or gods...

...is nothing but a blind guess. I think blind guesses ought to be called blind guesses.
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Fine. Call them whatever you want to. I'm perfectly OK with calling blind guesses beliefs if those doing the guessing actually believe their guesses.

Sounds pretty logical if you ask me.

Frank Apisa said:
What the hell are you talking about here, Nomad?

I am not insecure about anything on this issue. I have set out my position several times. Here it is again:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.
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Whoa there, big fella!!! Settle down!!!

I was not talking about you. When I said "you" I meant it in a generic sense.

IOW, "you" as in "anybody".

Relax.

Frank Apisa said:
If you want to make blind guesses on the issue...and call those blind guesses something else...do it.

I think it sucks to do so.
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I'm agnostic. I don't make blind guesses or have beliefs on the issue. I readily admit that we as humans don't know anything.

I thought I made that abundantly clear.

I just don't see what the BFD is about calling beliefs "beliefs" given that's exactly what they are. Maybe you have a different definition of the word than I do.

Again, as long as they aren't calling beliefs "facts", I'm OK with it.

You are free to feel however you want to about it.
 
Grugore said:
Really? If there is no God, then where did the physical universe come from?
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I do not know...and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD.

Fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.



Where did the laws of physics come from?
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Which ones?



Where does consciousness come from?
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I do not know...and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD...and that "consciousness" comes from that GOD.

Fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.



Where do love and hate come from?
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I don't know and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD...and that love and hate come from that GOD. (Interesting that you think THAT!)

But, fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.


What about art and music? Why do we create and enjoy it?
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Most art and music come from the humans who create it.

What is your problem with that?


The Bible explains all of it. Science can explain none of it.
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Horse shit on both counts.
 
Nomad said:
Fine. Call them whatever you want to. I'm perfectly OK with calling blind guesses beliefs if those doing the guessing actually believe their guesses.

Sounds pretty logical if you ask me.



Whoa there, big fella!!! Settle down!!!

I was not talking about you. When I said "you" I meant it in a generic sense.

IOW, "you" as in "anybody".

Relax.



I'm agnostic. I don't make blind guesses or have beliefs on the issue. I readily admit that we as humans don't know anything.

I thought I made that abundantly clear.

I just don't see what the BFD is about calling beliefs "beliefs" given that's exactly what they are. Maybe you have a different definition of the word than I do.

Again, as long as they aren't calling beliefs "facts", I'm OK with it.

You are free to feel however you want to about it.
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If you think it is okay to call blind guesses "beliefs"...and then ask that those blind guesses be given special respect because they are called "beliefs"...fine with me.

I think that is destructive to reasonable discussion on the issue.

We simply disagree on this.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I do not know...and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD.

Fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.






Which ones?





I do not know...and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD...and that "consciousness" comes from that GOD.

Fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.





I don't know and neither do you.

But I understand that your blind guess is that there is a GOD...and that love and hate come from that GOD. (Interesting that you think THAT!)

But, fine...nothing wrong with a blind guess.




Most art and music come from the humans who create it.

What is your problem with that?




Horse shit on both counts.
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In other words, your argument is that it's just a blind guess. Only someone who is blind would say something like that.
 
Grugore said:
Really? If there is no God, then where did the physical universe come from? Where did the laws of physics come from? Where does consciousness come from? Where do love and hate come from? What about art and music? Why do we create and enjoy it? The Bible explains all of it. Science can explain none of it.
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Humankind really went astray with the notion of the creator in human form; this entire concept of the male dominator god.
 
Grugore said:
In other words, your argument is that it's just a blind guess. Only someone who is blind would say something like that.
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That was very lame.

As to the question:

Is there a GOD?...

...one can either truthfully say, "I do not know"...or make a blind guess.

If you want to blindly guess there is a GOD...fine with me.

There are others who will blindly guess that there are no gods.

That is also fine with me.

Nothing wrong with blind guesses.
 
Grugore said:
In other words, your argument is that it's just a blind guess. Only someone who is blind would say something like that.
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You're as blind as any hominid alive, it is part and parcel of the human condition, only someone who cannot deal with that reaches for blind faith to cope, which is actually a refusal of/to use the creative intelligence your creator endowed you with.
 
Frank Apisa said:
That was very lame.

As to the question:

Is there a GOD?...

...one can either truthfully say, "I do not know"...or make a blind guess.

If you want to blindly guess there is a GOD...fine with me.

There are others who will blindly guess that there are no gods.

That is also fine with me.

Nothing wrong with blind guesses.
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I can truthfully say, with all confidence, that there is a God.
 
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