The REALITY that the Alt Right does not want to face about San Francisco and NYC

[Walt]

You living in the bay area??

Pennsylvania. I live close enough to commute a few times a week to NYC, but not close enough to commute 5 times a week. It is a good place, but I could make a lot more money in the Bay Area... But it would cost a lot more to provide the size house my family wants.

 

[katzgar]

I was in Denver at the beginning of the pandemic, and there were about a few vans, school busses, and the like with people living in them. Rent alone is above minimum wage, so poor people cannot afford to live anywhere near a job in Denver.

this kid is 18 and traveling all over the country, not using it as a home.

 

[katzgar]

Imagine trying to train a new employee both in his job, and in the workplace culture over teleconferencing. It just does not seem possible. Likewise, organizing a totally new team, made up of people you had not met before, does not seem possible. The micro-meetings that happen dozens of times a day would not happen. The chance meetings that created the great ideas, would not happen.

I have been working from home much of the last 12 years, and I have seen the problems. Our society can do it sometimes, and a few people can do it all the time, but if a lot of our people are doing it from here on out, our society will collapse over time.

you are thinking like an old man

 

[Bill]

DAMN THEM!!! They stole Hawaiian Shirts from me. If you are Hawaiian, then yes, I know they are actually, technically Aloha Shirts, but I am still mad.

They claim that wearing a Hawaiian Shirt makes them just silly enough that they can commit acts of terrorism, and the police will ignore it. So far, they might be right.

Boogaloo comes from the movie "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo." It was a sequel that had the exact same plot of the original Breakin Movie. Or so I have heard, I have not seen either movie. The internet starting call any unnecessary sequel an electric boogaloo. So if they ever made "Titanic 2, Revenge of the Ship", that would be an electric boogaloo.

The Boogaloo's claim that the American Revolution needs an unnecessary sequel, and they pledge to overthrow the US Government.

I think trying to overthrow the US Government is treason, and do not want to wear a Hawaiian Shirt that would identify me as a terrorist who wants to commit that treason.

It was originally a dance in the 60's....... I recall a few rock songs mentioning it..

Didn't know it had anything to do w/ Hawaiian shirts.....lol

I have some although I rarely wear them..... Last time was a few months ago @ a couple friends wedding in a park...... It was a Hawaiian theme. He is Native American & she is Native Hawaiian......... Nice couple-hiking buddies


?????????? You from the Bay??

 

[Jack]

Define the problem. What is your proposed solution?

1. Too many fucking people, not enough jobs.
2. Stop Immigration.

 

[Bill]

Pennsylvania. I live close enough to commute a few times a week to NYC, but not close enough to commute 5 times a week. It is a good place, but I could make a lot more money in the Bay Area... But it would cost a lot more to provide the size house my family wants.

Okay.....

It is extremely expensive there.... I grew up there......

You by Philly??

 

[Flash]

Too many people want to live in San Francisco and NYC. That is just a fact. There is not enough room for them all, so our society does what capitalist societies do, and drives up the prices until many people cannot afford to live in those places.

Both capitalist and socialist societies do this. The cost of housing in China's more expensive provinces is many times higher than in the less expensive.

 

[Jack]

there is no argument it is a fact...you are confused

Your 'Argument' is that they did it in the Past, so who are we to change it.
--->"Immigration has been going on in this country literally since the day it was founded."<---

The identical Argument could be used for:
'Women never had the Vote, why change that'.
'We never had Social Security, why implement that'.
'Queers were always persecuted, why change now'.

See the flaw in your Argument.

 

[Walt]

this kid is 18 and traveling all over the country, not using it as a home.

A lot of people are doing things like that. They either make a tiny house, or they make a stealth house. He is living in it, so I count it as a home, a RV-like home. But I see your point.

I could never live without a real toilet, and you will never get a full, real toilet in an RV. That and my wife would murder me.

 

[Walt]

you are thinking like an old man

Maybe. I am also thinking like someone who has seen many, many telecommuting projects fail in the last 12 years. It is hard to have a real team without some level of direct communication.

 

[Walt]

?????????? You from the Bay??

No, Pennsylvania.

 

[CFM]

Too many people want to live in San Francisco and NYC. That is just a fact. There is not enough room for them all, so our society does what capitalist societies do, and drives up the prices until many people cannot afford to live in those places.

Artists haven't been able to live in Greenwich Village(NYC) in decades. It is darn expensive, and hard to swing without a high six figure income.

So if people are driven from San Francisco and NYC, then there are more than enough people to replace them. It might even allow both to get back to more creative, bohemian roots.

If they can't afford to live there, get a better job making more money.

 

[Walt]

1. Too many fucking people, not enough jobs.
2. Stop Immigration.

Let's say an immigrant can create a job where none existed before. Then he is not taking a job, but he is creating several jobs. He is creating his own job. And he is becoming a customer, and by doing so will create other jobs.

I am not saying that is the way it always works, but it certainly is a way that it sometimes works. Reducing the number of people could reduce the number of customers, and job creators, thereby making even fewer jobs.

There are definitely not enough jobs now, but four years ago, we had basically full employment. Full employment means there is still structural and frictional unemployment, but nothing beyond that.

 

[Earl]

Let's say an immigrant can create a job where none existed before. Then he is not taking a job, but he is creating several jobs. He is creating his own job. And he is becoming a customer, and by doing so will create other jobs.

I am not saying that is the way it always works, but it certainly is a way that it sometimes works. Reducing the number of people could reduce the number of customers, and job creators, thereby making even fewer jobs.

There are definitely not enough jobs now, but four years ago, we had basically full employment. Full employment means there is still structural and frictional unemployment, but nothing beyond that.

If an illegal (non-citizen) ties his/her shoes in America, they do so illegally.

Arrest and deport all illegals.

It is the law.

 

[Walt]

Both capitalist and socialist societies do this. The cost of housing in China's more expensive provinces is many times higher than in the less expensive.

What the USSR would do if there was not enough apartments is the government would decide who gets the apartment. The renter would pay whatever the government stated rent was. If someone else could pay more, the government would not care.

China has what is called a hukou. It is the right to live in a place, and it is given by the government. So lets say you are Chinese, and you want to live in Beijing, you have to convince the government for permission to officially live there. Without permission, you cannot rent an ordinary apartment, send your children to school, or get anything but emergency healthcare. The ability to live somewhere in China is not directly based on how much money you have, but if you are extremely rich, you can bribe your way into a good hukou.

 

[Jack]

Let's say an immigrant can create a job where none existed before. Then he is not taking a job, but he is creating several jobs. He is creating his own job. And he is becoming a customer, and by doing so will create other jobs.

I am not saying that is the way it always works, but it certainly is a way that it sometimes works. Reducing the number of people could reduce the number of customers, and job creators, thereby making even fewer jobs.

There are definitely not enough jobs now, but four years ago, we had basically full employment. Full employment means there is still structural and frictional unemployment, but nothing beyond that.

You know, an 'immigrant' that comes here with a Billion dollars or a 4 year degree might be an exception to my 'No Immigration' Policy.

Your deliberate attempt to 'fog' the Discussion isn't productive. The Fact that 'Automation, Robotics, and Artificial Intelligence' is and will be taking jobs from humans is here NOW. Let's make sure our children and grandchildren have jobs before some guy from Bangladesh.

 

[Earl]

No, Pennsylvania.

Your Phillies are tanking, Walter.

Four games out and dropping like a stone.

 

[CFM]

Let's say an immigrant can create a job where none existed before. Then he is not taking a job, but he is creating several jobs. He is creating his own job. And he is becoming a customer, and by doing so will create other jobs.

I am not saying that is the way it always works, but it certainly is a way that it sometimes works. Reducing the number of people could reduce the number of customers, and job creators, thereby making even fewer jobs.

There are definitely not enough jobs now, but four years ago, we had basically full employment. Full employment means there is still structural and frictional unemployment, but nothing beyond that.

It rarely works that way compared to immigrants taking jobs because they're willing to work for what the job is actually worth in wages vs. some entitlement minded citizen that thinks a low skilled job is somehow worth $15/hour.

 

[Walt]

You know, an 'immigrant' that comes here with a Billion dollars or a 4 year degree might be an exception to my 'No Immigration' Policy.

Huge numbers of educated immigrants are attempting to come to the USA, and many of the uneducated ones will be educated within a generation or two. About half of all successful startup entrepreneurs are either first or second generation immigrants.

 

[Yakuda]

Too many people want to live in San Francisco and NYC. That is just a fact. There is not enough room for them all, so our society does what capitalist societies do, and drives up the prices until many people cannot afford to live in those places.

Artists haven't been able to live in Greenwich Village(NYC) in decades. It is darn expensive, and hard to swing without a high six figure income.

So if people are driven from San Francisco and NYC, then there are more than enough people to replace them. It might even allow both to get back to more creative, bohemian roots.

Are you really this stupid????? Even you can't he this much of an utter moron. Exactly how does a capitalist society drive up the prices?