The Ron Paul that Ron Paul does not want you to know

blackascoal said:
Thomas Jefferson believed that freedom from corporations was a basic human right.

My comment that corporations don't care about race meant that they do not care about it's place in, or benefit to, society. In many cases, it's whatever is cheapest, but the progressive demand for opportunities to excel within corporations and the break the "good 'ol boy" glass ceiling came by way of government/societal intervention.

When people think "affirmative action" they think black, however, women have been as much, or even greater recipient of the progress made through AA than blacks have.
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White women have been the biggest beneficiaries of AA programs. Interestingly, that's not something that most people know. You can't put a white, female face on a program, and hope to gut it.
 
blackascoal said:
True.

Malcolm grew with his experiences. His trip to Mecca changed him and he came to recognize that the enemy was the system, not the person. Not only did he change with his experiences, but so did Dr. King. King began to realize that the system of racism in America would not change peacefully and evisioned that the violence of his own death was inevitable, which he very clearly spoke to in his "I've Been to the Mountaintop" speech which he delivered the day before he was murdered.

" And then I got to Memphis. And some began to say the threats, or talk about the threats that were out. What would happen to me from some of our sick white brothers?

Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. And I don't mind. Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land. And I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord." -- Dr. Martin Luther King

Malcolm and Dr. King grew closer .. which was feared by all the J. Edgar Hoover's of this nation.

If you ever want to see the visual representation of why King and Malcolm were murdered, just take a look at the picture of them standing together shaking hands and smiling.

Letter from Mecca -- Malcolm X

Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and the overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as practiced by people of all colors and races here in this Ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all other prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors.

I have been blessed to visit the Holy City of Mecca. I have made my seven circuits around the Ka'ba, led by a young Mutawaf named Muhammad. I drank water from the well of Zem Zem. I ran seven times back and forth between the hills of Mt. Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. I have prayed in the ancient city of Mina, and I have prayed on Mt. Arafat.

There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue eyed blonds to black skin Africans. But we were all participating in the same rituals, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had lead me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white.

America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have considered 'white' -- but the 'white' attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.

You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to re-arrange much of my thought patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experiences and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.

During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept in the same bed, (or on the same rug) -- while praying to the same God -- with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the same words and in the actions and in the deeds of the 'white' Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana.

We were truly all the same (brothers) -- because their belief in one God had removed the 'white' from their minds, the 'white' from their behavior, and the 'white' from their attitude.

I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man -- and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their differences in color.

With racism plaguing America like an incurable cancer, the so-called 'Christian' white American heart should be more receptive to a proven solution to such a destructive problem. Perhaps it could be in time to save America from imminent disaster -- the same destruction brought upon Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves.

Each hour here in the Holy Land enables me to have greater spiritual insights into what is happening in America between black and white. The American Negro never can be blamed for his racial animosities -- he is only reacting to four hundred years of conscious racism of the American whites. But as racism leads America up the suicide path, I do believe, from the experience that I have had with them, that the whites of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, will see the handwriting on the wall and many of them will turn to the spiritual path of truth -- the only way left to America to ward off the disaster that racism inevitably must lead to.

Never have I been so highly honored. Never have I been made to feel more humble and unworthy. Who would believe the blessings that have been heaped upon an American Negro? A few nights ago, a man who would be called in America a 'white' man, a United Nations diplomat, an ambassador, a companion of kings, gave me his hotel suite, his bed. By this man, His Excellency Prince Faisal, who rules this Holy Land, was made aware of my presence here in Jedda. The very next morning, Prince Faisal's son, in person, informed me that by the will and decree of his esteemed father, I was to be a State Guest.

The deputy Chief of Protocol himself took me before the Hajj Court. His Holiness Sheikh Muhammad Harkon himself okayed my visit to Mecca. His Holiness gave me two books on Islam, with his personal seal and autograph, and he told me that he prayed that I would be a successful preacher of Islam in America. A car, a driver, and a guide, have been placed at my disposal, making it possible for me to travel about this Holy Land almost at will. The government provides air conditioned quarters and servants in each city that I visit. Never would I have even thought of dreaming that I would ever be a recipient of such honors -- honors that in America would be bestowed upon a King -- not a Negro.

All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds.

Sincerely,
El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcom X)
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It is because of the courage of people such as these, including Viola Liuzzo and Everett Dirksen, and countless others of all races who stood and fell with them, that I can never accept or be silent about what Ron Paul represents.

His beliefs are a giant step backwards, and too many have been sacrificed to bring about what has been achieved today for me to stay silent.
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Have you read Taylor Branch's histories of the civil rights movement? Of course, I understand that you were there, but I am just wondering if you have ever read Branch.
 
Watermark said:
"I grew up during the 60's and experienced the struggles of civil rights up close and personal. It shaped my liberal beliefs. The conservatism of right-wing politicians and the history and philosophy of the South made it almost impossible, if not downright traitorous to believe otherwise. The stories and memories of my father and grandparents were not of oppression, and in my grandmother's case, rape, by liberals. As I looked around the political scene, even as a teenager, it was clear that most of those who thought I was less than human were conservatives, republicans, and on the Right of the political and social spectrum."

Mississippi was horrible back then. It's still horrible on civil rights. The Killen trial was a good thing, but he should've been charged with murder, not manslaughter, even if he "may" have been "only" a mastermind. I still wonder why the state legislature doesn't apologize for all that stuff. The state is still divided by race... there aren't Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, it's the blacks and the whites in congress. The blacks always put up a candidate on the Democratic ticket and lose, and the whites always put up one on the Republican side and win. And the white Democrats are basically all Republicans, I'm sorry to say. I can't even think of a single white liberal in our congress to this day.
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I've never understood why any black person woud live in Mississippi. I was in Mississippi once for about 5 days back in 1969 and swore that if I got out alive I would never come back. Whenever I drive to the west, I'll drive hundreds of miles out of the way to avoid Mississippi.
 
Darla said:
Have you read Taylor Branch's histories of the civil rights movement? Of course, I understand that you were there, but I am just wondering if you have ever read Branch.
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I've heard of him but I've never read his works extensively.

I've read comments from him and his books from time to time. The one comment that I associate to him was what he said about the 1966 NCAA Basketball Championship game .. which I believe was THE most important sporting event in American history. He commented on Adolph Rupp lamenting that "Now they'll want him to get some niggxxs on his team." .. Pat Riley played in that game by the way.

Now that you've mentioned him, I'll have to do some reading.

Thanks
 
Darla said:
White women have been the biggest beneficiaries of AA programs. Interestingly, that's not something that most people know. You can't put a white, female face on a program, and hope to gut it.
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That's why they don't talk about it.

However, often times it is white women themselves who do not undertsand the trick of this game.

"Many reports on affirmative action in the public media have focused only on the aspect of African-Americans and affirmative action versus the "angry white male". Many articles fail to acknowledge the multifaceted dynamics of affirmative action which incorporate Latinos, Chicanos, Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, and women. In fact, studies show that white women tend to be the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action."
http://www.iupui.edu/~aao/myths.html

"When affirmative action was first implemented in the early 1970s, Asian Americans benefitted from it in large numbers, as did Blacks, Hispanics/Latinos, American Indians and the group that has benefitted the most, White women."
http://www.asian-nation.org/affirmative-action.shtml

"Despite the significant benefits to white women from affirmative action programs in education, employment, and contracting; and despite the likelihood that gender discrimination, like its racial counterpart, would intensify in the absence of these programs, white women have been noticeably absent from the front lines of affirmative action's defense."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-53980594.html

Understanding White Womens Ambivalence Towards Affirmative Action
"This polling data revealed that white women, despite enjoying the lion's share of economic benefits from Washington's affirmative action plan, feared that affirmative action benefiting people of color would injure the material interests of their family.
http://www.law.ucla.edu/home/apps/crs/pdf/i-200 and white women.pdf.

There are a plethora of studies from MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and other institutions and organizations that confirms who benefits most from AA.

The other face that they won't put on AA, but who has enjoyed great benefits are the disabled. As long as focus of AA is resigned to people of color, it's easy to attack.
 
Darla said:
White women have been the biggest beneficiaries of AA programs. Interestingly, that's not something that most people know. You can't put a white, female face on a program, and hope to gut it.
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That's why they don't talk about it.

However, often times it is white women themselves who do not understand the trick of this game.

"Many reports on affirmative action in the public media have focused only on the aspect of African-Americans and affirmative action versus the "angry white male". Many articles fail to acknowledge the multifaceted dynamics of affirmative action which incorporate Latinos, Chicanos, Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, and women. In fact, studies show that white women tend to be the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action."
http://www.iupui.edu/~aao/myths.html

"When affirmative action was first implemented in the early 1970s, Asian Americans benefitted from it in large numbers, as did Blacks, Hispanics/Latinos, American Indians and the group that has benefitted the most, White women."
http://www.asian-nation.org/affirmative-action.shtml

"Despite the significant benefits to white women from affirmative action programs in education, employment, and contracting; and despite the likelihood that gender discrimination, like its racial counterpart, would intensify in the absence of these programs, white women have been noticeably absent from the front lines of affirmative action's defense."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-53980594.html

Understanding White Womens Ambivalence Towards Affirmative Action
"This polling data revealed that white women, despite enjoying the lion's share of economic benefits from Washington's affirmative action plan, feared that affirmative action benefiting people of color would injure the material interests of their family.
http://www.law.ucla.edu/home/apps/crs/pdf/i-200 and white women.pdf.

There are a plethora of studies from MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and other institutions and organizations that confirms who benefits most from AA.

The other face that they won't put on AA, but who has enjoyed great benefits are the disabled. As long as focus of AA is resigned to people of color, it's easy to attack.
 
blackascoal said:
That's why they don't talk about it.

However, often times it is white women themselves who do not understand the trick of this game.

"Many reports on affirmative action in the public media have focused only on the aspect of African-Americans and affirmative action versus the "angry white male". Many articles fail to acknowledge the multifaceted dynamics of affirmative action which incorporate Latinos, Chicanos, Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, and women. In fact, studies show that white women tend to be the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action."
http://www.iupui.edu/~aao/myths.html

"When affirmative action was first implemented in the early 1970s, Asian Americans benefitted from it in large numbers, as did Blacks, Hispanics/Latinos, American Indians and the group that has benefitted the most, White women."
http://www.asian-nation.org/affirmative-action.shtml

"Despite the significant benefits to white women from affirmative action programs in education, employment, and contracting; and despite the likelihood that gender discrimination, like its racial counterpart, would intensify in the absence of these programs, white women have been noticeably absent from the front lines of affirmative action's defense."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-53980594.html

Understanding White Womens Ambivalence Towards Affirmative Action
"This polling data revealed that white women, despite enjoying the lion's share of economic benefits from Washington's affirmative action plan, feared that affirmative action benefiting people of color would injure the material interests of their family.
http://www.law.ucla.edu/home/apps/crs/pdf/i-200 and white women.pdf.

There are a plethora of studies from MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and other institutions and organizations that confirms who benefits most from AA.

The other face that they won't put on AA, but who has enjoyed great benefits are the disabled. As long as focus of AA is resigned to people of color, it's easy to attack.
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Good point about the disabled. I hadn't thought about them.
 
Damocles said:
The disabled benefit most from the ADA rather than AA.
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Actually ADA and AA differ in ther projected outcomes and goals. Disabled people have indeed seen increased opportunity made available by AA, especially veterans .. another face that should be attached to affirmative action.

ADA ensured facilitation more than mandated opportunity.

AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT (ADA) TERMS
Affirmative Action

This concept involves a commitment to positive action to accomplish the purposes of a program. It may involve goals or timetables and specifically outlined steps that will be pursued to assure that objectives are attained. The ADA does not mandate affirmative action for disabled people. Rather, the ADA requires that covered entities ensure, "nondiscrimination". In the context of civil rights for disabled people, affirmative action must be taken under Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act, which requires affirmative steps and positive outreach by federal contractors in employment considerations.
http://www.tbihelp.org/americans_with_disabilities_act_terms.htm

US OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT
Disabled Veterans Affirmative Action Program (DVAAP)

Most departments and agencies in the Federal government are required to have an affirmative action program for the recruitment, employment, and advancement of disabled veterans. The law requires agencies to develop annual Disabled Veterans Affirmative Action Program (DVAAP) Plans.

Each year, agencies must submit DVAAP accomplishment reports to OPM. The accomplishment reports must describe agency efforts to promote the maximum employment and job advancement opportunities for disabled veterans as well as certain veterans of the Vietnam era and of the post-Vietnam era who are qualified for such employment and advancement. As part of their submission package, each agency must include a signed statement certifying that the agency has an up-to-date DVAAP plan.
http://www.opm.gov/veterans/dvaap.asp
 
More than facilitation it also gives people with dyslexia a far better chance of making it into college than does AA. A dyslexic person can be given more time on tests, such as entrance exams for instace, as well as tutors to help them while writing papers on spelling and grammar at no extra cost. While AA wouldn't give them that kind of consideration.

I should rephrase and say, people with invisible disabilities benefit most from ADA rather than AA.
 
Damocles said:
More than facilitation it also gives people with dyslexia a far better chance of making it into college than does AA. A dyslexic person can be given more time on tests, such as entrance exams for instace, as well as tutors to help them while writing papers on spelling and grammar at no extra cost. While AA wouldn't give them that kind of consideration.

I should rephrase and say, people with invisible disabilities benefit most from ADA rather than AA.
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I agree with you, but many ADA requirements and oversight has been folded under the auspices of AA managers/offices, especially on campus.

I know this isn't true everywhere, but it is in on many campuses.
 
blackascoal said:
I've never understood why any black person woud live in Mississippi. I was in Mississippi once for about 5 days back in 1969 and swore that if I got out alive I would never come back. Whenever I drive to the west, I'll drive hundreds of miles out of the way to avoid Mississippi.
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Why? Maybe you were in the wrong part of the state. Mississippi's race relations aren't really signfigantly worse than any other souther state. You really can't judge it based off of 1969. I didn't grow up then, so I wouldn't know really, but I promise you it was just a sea full of anger back then and the sea has mostly subsided.

I'm from south Mississippi, and there wasn't really the whole racial dynamic down here, mainly because of the lower black population (there weren't any plantations here, the soil's bad). With gambling in South Mississippi also came a lot of out of state money and, ironically enough, a more open-minded atmosphere. But still, I can't imagine up north being so bad that you'd drive to avoid it.

Maybe I'm fluffing it up. I have no southern accent, I've never been hunting or mud-riding, I only started listening to Hank Williams SR. whenever I read about him in the Rolling Stone, and I tend to look even at the rednecks that still live among us as having kind of an affable quality. The one thing that still gets me is that a lot of people are freaked out by black-white marriages, though it isn't spoken about. I know most of the people in the my group of friends disagreed with me whenever I plainly told them I found nothing wrong with it. But, you know, we all also have a friend whose half-black and is dating a white girl, and nobody says anything about that or holds it against him. So maybe it's just peer pressure.
 
Damocles said:
More than facilitation it also gives people with dyslexia a far better chance of making it into college than does AA. A dyslexic person can be given more time on tests, such as entrance exams for instace, as well as tutors to help them while writing papers on spelling and grammar at no extra cost. While AA wouldn't give them that kind of consideration.

I should rephrase and say, people with invisible disabilities benefit most from ADA rather than AA.
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Damo, they also have dyslexia. Which probably makes up for it.
 
blackascoal said:
That's why they don't talk about it.

However, often times it is white women themselves who do not understand the trick of this game.

"Many reports on affirmative action in the public media have focused only on the aspect of African-Americans and affirmative action versus the "angry white male". Many articles fail to acknowledge the multifaceted dynamics of affirmative action which incorporate Latinos, Chicanos, Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, and women. In fact, studies show that white women tend to be the primary beneficiaries of affirmative action."
http://www.iupui.edu/~aao/myths.html

"When affirmative action was first implemented in the early 1970s, Asian Americans benefitted from it in large numbers, as did Blacks, Hispanics/Latinos, American Indians and the group that has benefitted the most, White women."
http://www.asian-nation.org/affirmative-action.shtml

"Despite the significant benefits to white women from affirmative action programs in education, employment, and contracting; and despite the likelihood that gender discrimination, like its racial counterpart, would intensify in the absence of these programs, white women have been noticeably absent from the front lines of affirmative action's defense."
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-53980594.html

Understanding White Womens Ambivalence Towards Affirmative Action
"This polling data revealed that white women, despite enjoying the lion's share of economic benefits from Washington's affirmative action plan, feared that affirmative action benefiting people of color would injure the material interests of their family.
http://www.law.ucla.edu/home/apps/crs/pdf/i-200 and white women.pdf.

There are a plethora of studies from MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and other institutions and organizations that confirms who benefits most from AA.

The other face that they won't put on AA, but who has enjoyed great benefits are the disabled. As long as focus of AA is resigned to people of color, it's easy to attack.
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A few years back, they changed the SAT and the ACT to benefit women, adding a reading section (there was already an English section, it was somewhat redundant).

It didn't bother me, being that I've always been good at reading and bad at math, but it's odd that they'd change an entire test for that reason.

Being a white women is honestly the best position to be in if you want to get into college. You have none of the disadvantages of being a minority, you were probably richer and had greater support of society, and you're treated as a minority on the AA programs (even though you're actually the majority). I really don't think that's what AA was meant for.
 
blackascoal said:
I've never understood why any black person woud live in Mississippi. I was in Mississippi once for about 5 days back in 1969 and swore that if I got out alive I would never come back. Whenever I drive to the west, I'll drive hundreds of miles out of the way to avoid Mississippi.
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Well, really, anyway, most of the black people live in the delta...

The old slave home, in case anyone was wondering. It's majority black, but it's also has one of the lowest quality of life scores out of any area in the US.
 
blackascoal said:
Thank you brother.

I appreciate your thoughts and sharing your story, but in many ways, we've all been played.

I grew up during the 60's and experienced the struggles of civil rights up close and personal. It shaped my liberal beliefs. The conservatism of right-wing politicians and the history and philosophy of the South made it almost impossible, if not downright traitorous to believe otherwise. The stories and memories of my father and grandparents were not of oppression, and in my grandmother's case, rape, by liberals. As I looked around the political scene, even as a teenager, it was clear that most of those who thought I was less than human were conservatives, republicans, and on the Right of the political and social spectrum.

Black liberals were being elected to political office and many became my heroes. They stood up and spoke to an injust that had been allowed to fester in America for over 350 years. White liberals stood right next to them. On the college campuses, white liberals protested the injust while conservatives stood in the way.

I grew up in Detroit and my father worked at Chrysler for over 26 years. He was from Florida, but like many African-Americans, he moved north to escape the more overt racism of the south and to take advantage of opportunities available there that were not available south. One day when I was about 16 years old, I went with my father to a union meeting. He went into a meeting with Coleman Young and a young John Conyers, leaving me in the assembly hall before the meeting started. As I stood against the wall my eyes caught the sight of a very pretty white woman. She was beautiful and I couldn't take my eyes off of her. Being that this was 1965 I was too embarrassed for her or anyone else to see me staring at her.

As the people began to take seats as the meeting was about to start, I went and sat down. A moment later, this beautiful woman sat down right next to me. I was too afraid/conditioned to say anything to her, but she said hello to me and reached out to shake my hand. As I turn to shake her hand I looked into her eyes. I was lost. I think I said my name is Richard, but to this day I'm not sure. I was too lost in her eyes. It wasn't as though I hadn't spoken to or interacted with white women before, but this one sent a chill down my spine. She smiled and told me her name, Viola.

When the meeting began, the hall was packed and I gave up my seat to an elderly woman who was standing. Viola said, "that was gracious of you." I found a spot along the wall were I could stand .. and watch this beautful woman without her seeing me watching her. When the meeting ended, my father came and got me, and in the confusion of all the people, I never saw her again. On the drive back home I told my father about her but all he said was, "hmmm".

About a month or so later, my brothers and I were watching TV and suddenly there was the face of the beautiful woman that had so entranced me. It was her face and she had been murdered. Her name was Viola Liuzzo. She was murdered by the Klan after travelling to Selma, Ala. to protest the oppression of blacks. She called it "everybody's fight".

I was hurt and cried for days. I gained a greater appreciation for liberalism and people of all races who fought for it. At 17, I wrote a paper that brought me a degree of acclaim called "The Eyes of Viola Liuzo". I've been an activist ever since.

It wasn't until the heroics of conservative Republican Senator Everett Dirksen did I believe that conservatives had any humanity at all. But, when Nixon embarked upon his "southern strategy" I started to question even that belief.

Although today there are people like Condaslezza Rice, Colon Powell, and Clarence Uncle Thomas, none of them are celebrated in the African-American community. Black faces .. that's it. Viola Liuzzo and Sen. Dirksen are celebrated. The color of the face is less important than the character of the heart and the commitment to equality ... a point I am quick to make among any group of people who dare dabble in racist thought.

Today, the Democratic Party is lost and every bit a part of the plutocracy as republicans are .. which is why I'm not a democrat. But the divisions amongst us are contrived, not happenstance. As long as we're worried about each other, you'll never see the knife that slices your throat. Fear is a great motivator among Americans, always has been. The corporate will doesn't care about race, doesn't care about patriotism, doesn't care about America. In my opinion, those who speak only of the glorys of the market, only sharpen the knife. Americans are an easily manipulated people.

I'm sure that you and I could have great conversations about our experiences and how we came to our political perspectives. But as an African-American, I owe a great deal to the concept of liberalism. I've walked the Halls of Congress and I've seen the difference between the Left side of the aisle and the Right.

I do respect your perspective brother and look forward to talking about this again.
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Wow. Not to be a parrot, but that was a great post.
 
Watermark said:
The one thing that still gets me is that a lot of people are freaked out by black-white marriages, though it isn't spoken about. I know most of the people in the my group of friends disagreed with me whenever I plainly told them I found nothing wrong with it. But, you know, we all also have a friend whose half-black and is dating a white girl, and nobody says anything about that or holds it against him. So maybe it's just peer pressure.
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Wow, this is really a shocker......I mean, I can't believe this stunning revelation. Knuckle-dragging redneck hicks don't approve of inter racial marriage. Who would have thought? Listening to you and Dixie, I was under the impression that blacks and whites had daily sing alongs, were color blind and voted for one another.

Watermark said:
The state is still divided by race... there aren't Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, it's the blacks and the whites in congress. The blacks always put up a candidate on the Democratic ticket and lose, and the whites always put up one on the Republican side and win. And the white Democrats are basically all Republicans, I'm sorry to say. I can't even think of a single white liberal in our congress to this day.
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And one more thing............NO SHIT SHERLOCK. Yet somehow when I say it, its wrong?
 
WM: "The one thing that still gets me is that a lot of people are freaked out by black-white marriages, though it isn't spoken about. I know most of the people in the my group of friends disagreed with me whenever I plainly told them I found nothing wrong with it."

Fascinating.

I know that I live in liberal la-la land, but I've never noticed anyone here who is publicly uncomfortable with inter-racial dating. In fact, I've never enev heard the n-word uttered publicly here, since I moved back here from Texas (where hearing that word was fairly commonplace). Not to say there aren't racists here - just that they're more marginalized than in the south.

There could also be the rural/urban/class element involved. In Houston, I had an girlfriend of color, and I never noticed any dirty looks or whispered comments in Houston. Of course, I was mostly around a more educated, suburban and professional crowd.
 
Watermark said:
Well, really, anyway, most of the black people live in the delta...

The old slave home, in case anyone was wondering. It's majority black, but it's also has one of the lowest quality of life scores out of any area in the US.
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Unfortunately, they also maintain a slave mentality. Generations of conditioning of those too afraid to leave the plantation. It highlights the differences between northern and southern Afican-American attitudes and perspectives.
 
Cypress said:
WM: "The one thing that still gets me is that a lot of people are freaked out by black-white marriages, though it isn't spoken about. I know most of the people in the my group of friends disagreed with me whenever I plainly told them I found nothing wrong with it."

Fascinating.

I know that I live in liberal la-la land, but I've never noticed anyone here who is publicly uncomfortable with inter-racial dating. In fact, I've never enev heard the n-word uttered publicly here, since I moved back here from Texas (where hearing that word was fairly commonplace). Not to say there aren't racists here - just that they're more marginalized than in the south.

There could also be the rural/urban/class element involved. In Houston, I had an girlfriend of color, and I never noticed any dirty looks or whispered comments in Houston. Of course, I was mostly around a more educated, suburban and professional crowd.
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Anyone who has the FEAR, and that's what it is, of black/white relationships should never, ever travel to Seattle. No place in America has more interracial relationships than Seattle, but this partly due to its proximity to Canada. Canadiens don't come with the same fears and phobias that Americans have.

Number 3 on the list of most interracial would be Minneapolis, home of Prince.

Of course number 1 and 2 would be Seattle. I've never been to Houston but I can imagine.

Obama is not going to help those who have the fear.

I have a 16 year old bi-racial son who lives in Arizona. Bi-racial children present some interesting and often quite humourous challenges .. like his mother trying to braid his hair. :)
 
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