The so called conservatives on JPP

Shill said:
FDR used it often, something to the affect: "this is not my doing or will, the ppl demand it of me".....
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Did he say that when he turned away the M.S. St. Louis and locked up American citizens in camps because of their ancestry?
 
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Blessings
 
Shill said:
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Trump didn't turn away "Mexicans" or "lock them up in cages because of their ancestry", Shill.

The Border Patrol caught illegal aliens and enforced US immigration law, just like they did during Obama's Reign of Error. BTW,the cages were largely constructed under the leadership of B. Hussein Obama.

Legion said:
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KIDS IN CAGES - NOT PUT THERE BY TRUMP - PUT THERE BY OBAMA​

June 18, 2014

They are undocumented. They entered the country illegally. And when they were apprehended by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, they were shipped to Nogales from overwhelmed processing facilities in Texas.

But they are still children in cages, not gangsters, not delinquents. Just children, 900 of them, in a makeshift border-town processing center that is larger than a football field. They pass the day sitting on benches or lying side by side on tiny blue mattresses pressed up against each other on nearly every square inch of the floor in the fenced areas.

The Nogales facility is a way station where the children are identified, examined for health problems by the U.S. Public Health Service, vaccinated and then moved to other facilities in Texas, Oklahoma and California until they are placed with relatives already in the country to await their day in Immigration Court.

On Wednesday morning, bowing to pressure from politicians, the CBP allowed journalists to tour this warehouse of humanity. In essence, it is a juvenile prison camp.

The children, mostly of high-school and junior-high-school age, are housed behind 18-foot-high chain-link fences topped with razor wire.

They are segregated by age and gender: There is one area for those 12 and under. There are areas for boys and girls ages 13 to 15, and still more for boys and girls ages 16 and 17.

Nylon tarps, tied to the fences, provide a modicum of privacy between the groups. They share the kind of portable toilets used at fairs and construction sites, placed inside the cages and vented with clothes-dryer hoses.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2014/06/18/arizona-immigrant-children-holding-area-tour/10780449/
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On Obama's watch, children's health was allowed to deteriorate

Legion said:
Under the terms of a 1997 settlement in the case of Flores v. Meese, children who enter the country without their parents must be granted a “general policy favoring release” to the custody of relatives or a foster program.

When there is cause to detain a child, he or she must be housed in the least restrictive environment possible, kept away from unrelated adults and provided access to medical care, exercise and adequate education.

Whether these protections apply to children traveling with their parents has been a matter of dispute. The Flores settlement refers to “all minors who are detained” by the Immigration and Naturalization Service and its “agents, employees, contractors and/or successors in office.” When the I.N.S. dissolved into the Department of Homeland Security in 2003, its detention program shifted to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. Federal judges have ruled that ICE is required to honor the Flores protections to all children in its custody.

The Obama administration reversed course. the administration abruptly announced plans to resume family detention.

From the beginning, officials were clear that the purpose of the new facility in Artesia was not so much to review asylum petitions as to process deportation orders.

“We have already added resources to expedite the removal, without a hearing before an immigration judge, of adults who come from these three countries without children,” Obamas' secretary of Homeland Security, Jeh Johnson, told a Senate committee. “Then there are adults who brought their children with them. Again, our message to this group is simple: We will send you back.”

Elected officials in Artesia say that Johnson made a similar pledge during a visit to the detention camp. “He said, ‘As soon as we get them, we’ll ship them back,’ ” a city councilor from Artesia named Jose Luis Aguilar recalled. The mayor of the city, Phillip Burch, added, “His comment to us was that this would be a ‘rapid deportation process.’ Those were his exact words.”

But as word of the detention camp began to spread, volunteers like Christina Brown trickled into town. Many of the lawyers who came to Artesia were young mothers, and they saw in the detained children a resemblance to their own. By fall, roughly 200 volunteers were rotating through town in shifts: renting rooms in local motels, working 12-hour days to interview detainees and file asylum paperwork, then staying awake into the night to consult one another. Some volunteers returned to Artesia multiple times. A few spent more than a month there. Brown never moved back to Denver. She moved into a little yellow house by the detention facility, took up office space in a local church and, with help from a nonprofit group called the American Immigration Lawyers Association, or AILA, she began to organize the volunteers pouring in.

As Brown got to know detainees in Artesia, grim patterns emerged from their stories. One was the constant threat of gangs; another was the prevalence of sexual violence.

Within a year, the administration faced a lawsuit. Legal filings described young children forced to wear prison jumpsuits, to live in dormitory housing, to use toilets exposed to public view and to sleep with the lights on, even while being denied access to appropriate schooling. In a pretrial hearing, a federal judge blasted the administration for denying these children the protections of the Flores settlement.

Detainees who passed their initial hearings often found themselves stranded in Obama's Artesia facility without bond.

Many of the volunteers in Artesia tell similar stories about the misery of life in the facility.

“I thought I was pretty tough,” said Allegra Love, who spent the previous summer working on the border between Mexico and Guatemala.

“I mean, I had seen kids in all manner of suffering, but this was a really different thing. It’s a jail, and the women and children are being led around by guards. There’s this look that the kids have in their eyes. This lackadaisical look. They’re just sitting there, staring off, and they’re wasting away. That was what shocked me most.”

The detainees reported sleeping eight to a room, in violation of the Flores settlement, with little exercise or stimulation for the children.

Many were under the age of 6 and had been raised on a diet of tortillas, rice and chicken bits. In Artesia, the institutional cafeteria foods were as unfamiliar as the penal atmosphere, and to their parents’ horror, many of the children refused to eat.

“Gaunt kids, moms crying, they’re losing hair, up all night,” an attorney named Maria Andrade recalled. Another, Lisa Johnson-Firth, said: “I saw children who were malnourished and were not adapting. One 7-year-old just lay in his mother’s arms while she bottle-fed him.”

Mary O’Leary, who made three trips to Artesia, said: “I was trying to talk to one client about her case, and just a few feet away at another table there was this lady with a toddler between 2 and 4 years old, just lying limp. This was a sick kid, and just with this horrible racking cough.”


THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL - THIS OUTRAGE WAS REPORTED IN 2015, YET IT SEEMS JPP LIBERALS SAID NOTHING - NOW THAT TRUMP IS POTUS AND CONDITIONS IN FACILITIES ARE BETTER, THEY CALL THE POTUS A CRIMINAL -


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/magazine/the-shame-of-americas-family-detention-camps.html
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Legion said:
Trump didn't turn away "Mexicans" or "lock them up in cages because of their ancestry", Shill.

The Border Patrol caught illegal aliens and enforced US immigration law, just like they did during Obama's Reign of Error. BTW,the cages were largely constructed under the leadership of B. Hussein Obama.
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Yakuda said:
I'm not a leftist do by definition I have no problem with competition unlike you you fucking miserable cockroach
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You seem pretty whiny bitchy IMHO........ You are always crying about something, you gotta lil creek going on some days.......


Usually ppl of limited abilities like you don't do well on boards like these.....

I give you cred for trying though.........

Good luck, you'll need it.........
 
Bill said:
You seem pretty whiny bitchy IMHO........ You are always crying about something, you gotta lil creek going on some days.......


Usually ppl of limited abilities like you don't do well on boards like these.....

I give you cred for trying though.........

Good luck, you'll need it.........
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Sorry I don't understand cockroach.
 
Shill said:
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While Obama lied children suffered and advocates cried





A paralegal from Oregon named Vanessa Sischo arrived at the camp. Sischo did not realize until high school that her parents brought her into the United States from Mexico as an infant without documentation.

She gained protection from deportation under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program in 2012. When Sischo learned that children arriving from Central America were being incarcerated in Artesia, she volunteered immediately.

She arrived a week after Christina Brown, and like Brown, she stayed. After about a month, AILA and another nonprofit, the American Immigration Council, hired Brown as the pro bono project’s lead attorney. Brown recommended Sischo for the job of project coordinator. The two women began rooming together in the small yellow house near Main Street.

For both, Artesia was a jarring shift from life at home. As they sat together one evening in December, they described a typical week. “The new volunteers come in on Sunday, go through orientation, and by Wednesday night, everyone is crying,” Brown said.

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M., who fled El Salvador because of threats from gangs. She was held, with her infant son, for nearly five months in Obama's detention facility​


https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/magazine/the-shame-of-americas-family-detention-camps.html
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Why do the so called conservatives on JPP believe to be a conservative one must walk in lock step with Trump? True Republican conservatives give the president credit for his good policies but can openly disagree on presidential actions they feel are wrong for the country.

Here on JPP as soon as anyone disagrees with Trump they are immediately call a liberal. I suppose they believe the 1st amendment only applies to those who walk in lockstep with the president.

I know I will be attacked for this post but I am exercising my right to free speech.
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I think lockstep is ok,but goose step applies better!
 
Crocodile said:
The so called part kind of nailed the whys already. Much like many liberals and Bernie, the Trump supporters are mostly fringe party seperatists. The only difference is the Democrats weren't dragged away with Bernie like the Republicans were with Trump. You seem like the conservative here, they often just seem like a cult of far right ideas with absolutely know foundation. Many of their principle just seems whatever they can do to spite liberals.
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Their only principle is "we like Trump" ,whatever Trump is for they blindly follow
 
RB 60 said:
That's a whole lotta stupid, right there.

Who says we agree with Trump at every
mention? Thank the Teatards? WTF??

Lefties do the same thing but to a much lesser extent? LOL!
You have to look no further than a mirror to see that's a lie.
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Tell us when you took the opposite POV from Trump!
 
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