ridiculous. He attacked a month after meeting with Biden, and realizing what a dufus he was. Before that he invaded Ukraine's eastern provinces when he realized Obama was a Muslim racist out to damage the U.S. and kill off our allies. You lefties and deviants can't tell the truth, no matter what it is.
The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam
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ridiculous. He attacked a month after meeting with Biden, and realizing what a dufus he was. Before that he invaded Ukraine's eastern provinces when he realized Obama was a Muslim racist out to damage the U.S. and kill off our allies. You lefties and deviants can't tell the truth, no matter what it is.
To date, I've seen no serious evidence that this "pee tape" even exists. I suspect it's just more of this whole Russiagate lie. I made a thread on all this Russiagate nonsense back in January in another forum, which can be seen here:
FBI still hiding key Russiagate details
Interesting article just published on Aaron Mate's substack today. For those who haven't heard of Aaron Mate, here's his Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Maté Quoting the introduction to Aaron Maté's article below: ** FBI still hiding key Russiagate details, newly released docu...
repolitics.com
The main difference between Biden and Trump when it comes to Ukraine is that Trump has no financial ties to the place from what I can see, unlike Biden and his son.
Ludicrous. Most definitely a Russian propaganda piece.The sad thing is that up until the United States' blatant interference in Ukrainian politics during Ukraine's Euromaidan coup back in 2014, Viktor Yanukovych, the elected Ukrainian President at the time, had been working hard to strike a balance between western and Russian interests:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…off-guardian.org
Alas, the U.S. couldn't allow that to stand and it's been pretty much all downhill for Ukraine since.
Why, because it disagrees with your viewpoint? As I've said in the past, just disagreeing with a point of view does nothing to advance a discussion. You need to give reasons as to -why- you disagree for a discussion to advance.
Althea
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Imagine if the nation knew about Covid on Jan. 2 when trump got his first briefing?
Althea
Althea told me...
r
Ukraine could not be trusted with any American weaponry.
LOL. You are a buffoon. Before Zelenskyy, Ukraine was run by corrupt thieves and Putin operatives installed with help from Manafort. How can you be so clueless?
Ukraine could not be trusted with any American weaponry.
Rubbish. Name a country that doesn't have some level of corruption, idiot. We certainly know you commies and Democrats have a lot of it, and proved it in spades. You and the other foreign agents constantly prove you're stupid sociopaths, speaking of buffoons. Keep up the silly spin, Ivan.
Facts aren't your friend, Ivan. Disagreeing with your fake news and imaginary facts isn't disagreement on views, but you're not really bright enough to know the difference, so that line of spin is just another moot issue re your nonsense. It is mote than about just Ukraine, but dumbasses are oblivious to anything beyond their simple ideological fantasies.
Althea
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Stop. You're making yourself look like more of a buffoon. Now study up on Ukraine, and resubmit.
You still trying to fake being intelligent and clever? lol that's cute.
Althea
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moon
Satire for Sanity
Aw, sorry to have aroused your impotence
Haw, haw...........................................haw.
I agree. Trump would like anything that creates the illusion of a peaceful ceasefire so his minions can nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize. It's always about Trump and his ego.
I myself think Trump will eventually lift Russian sanctions and cut off military aid to Ukraine in an attempt to coerce Ukraine into consenting to cease-fire conditions that are extremely advantageous to Putin.
Margot
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So what!To date, I've seen no serious evidence that this "pee tape" even exists. I suspect it's just more of this whole Russiagate lie. I made a thread on all this Russiagate nonsense back in January in another forum, which can be seen here:
FBI still hiding key Russiagate details
Interesting article just published on Aaron Mate's substack today. For those who haven't heard of Aaron Mate, here's his Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Maté Quoting the introduction to Aaron Maté's article below: ** FBI still hiding key Russiagate details, newly released docu...repolitics.com
The main difference between Biden and Trump when it comes to Ukraine is that Trump has no financial ties to the place from what I can see, unlike Biden and his son.
So you are calling hunter and joe biden corrupt thieves?
Margot
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Trump is A 34 times convicted felon
Althea
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That's a given, but the EU has much more at stake. They will not relent.
ZenMode
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Not sure what you're getting at.....
Surely you've heard of what conflicts of interest can do? But perhaps what's needed here is not theory, but some actual facts. As you may know, Biden was in charge of the Ukrainian portfolio during his time as Obama's Vice President. Are you aware how closely he was tied in to the Euromaidan coup and the politicians who replaced the elected Ukrainian President of the time, Viktor Yanukovych?
There's an article I have linked to previously that gets into the details. It can be seen here:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
off-guardian.org
Quoting a relevant portion:
**
FEBRUARY
7/2/2014 – A recorded phone call between Nuland and Pyatt is leaked to the press, famously dubbed the “fuck the EU” call.
In the conversation, dated January 28th, Nuland and Pyatt discuss at length the structure of the Ukrainian cabinet once Yanukovych is gone. This is still 25 days before Yanukovych was removed from power
A poll published that same day by the Kyiv Post found more Ukrainians opposed the Maidan protests than supported them.
**
If one goes to the first link from the article above, one gets the following BBC article:
Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.
www.bbc.co.uk
Quoting from said article below. I quote a lot, so I've highlighted the part where Biden is mentioned in orange to make it easier to find if you'd like to skip some of the text:
**
An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube, external on Thursday.
[snip]
Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:
Voice thought to be Nuland's: What do you think?
- Jonathan Marcus: At the outset it should be clear that this is a fragment of what may well be a larger phone conversation. But the US has not denied its veracity and has been quick to point a finger at the Russian authorities for being behind its interception and leak.
- Jonathan Marcus: The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that "ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future". However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should be and is striving to achieve these goals. Russian spokesmen have insisted that the US is meddling in Ukraine's affairs - no more than Moscow, the cynic might say - but Washington clearly has its own game-plan. The clear purpose in leaking this conversation is to embarrass Washington and for audiences susceptible to Moscow's message to portray the US as interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs.
[snip]
Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?
- Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.
Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.
- Jonathan Marcus: Not for the first time in an international crisis, the US expresses frustration at the EU's efforts. Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow. It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play a longer game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.
Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.
Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.
- Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked.
**
What I -personally- would like to know is how much involvement the United States had in the Euromaidan massacre. An American military operative certainly appeared to be involved, but to date, I haven't been able to find out whether he was backed by an American intelligence agency. Regardless, it's clear that the Ukrainian President of the time was -not- involved, but was certainly framed. A good article on this subject can be seen here:
The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence - Global Research
The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) have not paved their way to the international mainstream media.
www.globalresearch.ca
It's also clear that Christopher Boyenger continued to appear in news articles after that, such as this one:
American Fighters Bring War and Murder Home from Ukraine
On July 13, 2013, Army Specialist Craig Lang left Fort Bliss without notifying his commanders to follow through with a plan to muder.
qcnerve.com
Margot
Verified User
So what! Putin invaded Ukraine! We either Support Putin or Ukraine!Surely you've heard of what conflicts of interest can do? But perhaps what's needed here is not theory, but some actual facts. As you may know, Biden was in charge of the Ukrainian portfolio during his time as Obama's Vice President. Are you aware how closely he was tied in to the Euromaidan coup and the politicians who replaced the elected Ukrainian President of the time, Viktor Yanukovych?
There's an article I have linked to previously that gets into the details. It can be seen here:
Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”
As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…
Quoting a relevant portion:
**
FEBRUARY
7/2/2014 – A recorded phone call between Nuland and Pyatt is leaked to the press, famously dubbed the “fuck the EU” call.
In the conversation, dated January 28th, Nuland and Pyatt discuss at length the structure of the Ukrainian cabinet once Yanukovych is gone. This is still 25 days before Yanukovych was removed from power
A poll published that same day by the Kyiv Post found more Ukrainians opposed the Maidan protests than supported them.
**
If one goes to the first link from the article above, one gets the following BBC article:
Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call
A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.
Quoting from said article below. I quote a lot, so I've highlighted the part where Biden is mentioned in orange to make it easier to find if you'd like to skip some of the text:
**
An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube, external on Thursday.
[snip]
Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:
Voice thought to be Nuland's: What do you think?
Voice thought to be Pyatt's: I think we're in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here. Especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is on this stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And I'm glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario. And I'm very glad that he said what he said in response.
- Jonathan Marcus: At the outset it should be clear that this is a fragment of what may well be a larger phone conversation. But the US has not denied its veracity and has been quick to point a finger at the Russian authorities for being behind its interception and leak.
Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.
- Jonathan Marcus: The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that "ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future". However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should be and is striving to achieve these goals. Russian spokesmen have insisted that the US is meddling in Ukraine's affairs - no more than Moscow, the cynic might say - but Washington clearly has its own game-plan. The clear purpose in leaking this conversation is to embarrass Washington and for audiences susceptible to Moscow's message to portray the US as interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs.
[snip]
Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?
Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.
- Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.
Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.
Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych (garbled) that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.
- Jonathan Marcus: Not for the first time in an international crisis, the US expresses frustration at the EU's efforts. Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow. It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play a longer game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.
Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.
Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.
[snip]
- Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked.
**
What I -personally- would like to know is how much involvement the United States had in the Euromaidan massacre. An American military operative certainly appeared to be involved, but to date, I haven't been able to find out whether he was backed by an American intelligence agency. Regardless, it's clear that the Ukrainian President of the time was -not- involved, but was certainly framed. A good article on this subject can be seen here:
The Hidden Truth About Ukraine, Kiev Euromaidan Snipers Kill Demonstrators. Italian Documentary Bombshell Evidence - Global Research
The interviews with three snipers of Georgian nationality, conducted by the Italian journalist Gian Micalessin and aired as a breathtaking documentary on Milan-based Canale 5 (Matrix program) have not paved their way to the international mainstream media.
It's also clear that Christopher Boyenger continued to appear in news articles after that, such as this one:
American Fighters Bring War and Murder Home from Ukraine
On July 13, 2013, Army Specialist Craig Lang left Fort Bliss without notifying his commanders to follow through with a plan to muder.
Says a tard with TDS who just parrots rubbish over and over, can't come up with any real facts that support its silly propaganda narratives. You ad your Russian hacks can go back to sharing porn now, you've pretty much shot your tiny wads here for the day.
Meanwhile we can laugh at how 'World Super Power Russia' has been stalled and even invaded by a country less than third of its population for years and is still struggling to take back territory from a disarmed country of volunteers. Ukraine embarrassed the hell out of your Russian heroes, and still is. lol 'super power' my ass, a degenerate failed state resorting to hostage diplomacy and nuke threats to extort the West, and failing. NATO got bigger instead of smaller, and is now more unified than before. Your dumbass gangsters in Moscow are clueless on what to do. Their Big Giant Takeover of Crimea was a disaster, it has about 30% of its previous population, and less than 30% of its former GDP. But you idiots keep cheering, it's par for you retarded deviants.