The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

Surely you've heard of what conflicts of interest can do? But perhaps what's needed here is not theory, but some actual facts. As you may know, Biden was in charge of the Ukrainian portfolio during his time as Obama's Vice President. Are you aware how closely he was tied in to the Euromaidan coup and the politicians who replaced the elected Ukrainian President of the time, Viktor Yanukovych?

There's an article I have linked to previously that gets into the details. It can be seen here:

Quoting a relevant portion:
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FEBRUARY
7/2/2014 – A recorded phone call between Nuland and Pyatt is leaked to the press, famously dubbed the “fuck the EU” call.

In the conversation, dated January 28th, Nuland and Pyatt discuss at length the structure of the Ukrainian cabinet once Yanukovych is gone. This is still 25 days before Yanukovych was removed from power

A poll published that same day by the Kyiv Post found more Ukrainians opposed the Maidan protests than supported them.

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If one goes to the first link from the article above, one gets the following BBC article:

Quoting from said article below. I quote a lot, so I've highlighted the part where Biden is mentioned in orange to make it easier to find if you'd like to skip some of the text:
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An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube, external on Thursday.

[snip]

Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:

Voice thought to be Nuland's: What do you think?
  • Jonathan Marcus: At the outset it should be clear that this is a fragment of what may well be a larger phone conversation. But the US has not denied its veracity and has been quick to point a finger at the Russian authorities for being behind its interception and leak.
Voice thought to be Pyatt's: I think we're in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here. Especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is on this stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And I'm glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario. And I'm very glad that he said what he said in response.
  • Jonathan Marcus: The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that "ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future". However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should be and is striving to achieve these goals. Russian spokesmen have insisted that the US is meddling in Ukraine's affairs - no more than Moscow, the cynic might say - but Washington clearly has its own game-plan. The clear purpose in leaking this conversation is to embarrass Washington and for audiences susceptible to Moscow's message to portray the US as interfering in Ukraine's domestic affairs.
Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.

[snip]

Nuland: OK... one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can't remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?
  • Jonathan Marcus: An intriguing insight into the foreign policy process with work going on at a number of levels: Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings - US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.
Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.

Nuland: OK. He's now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.
  • Jonathan Marcus: Not for the first time in an international crisis, the US expresses frustration at the EU's efforts. Washington and Brussels have not been completely in step during the Ukraine crisis. The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow. It certainly cannot win a short-term battle for Ukraine's affections with Moscow - it just does not have the cash inducements available. The EU has sought to play a longer game; banking on its attraction over time. But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.
Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we've got to do something to make it stick together because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude, that the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it. And again the fact that this is out there right now, I'm still trying to figure out in my mind why Yanukovych (garbled) that. In the meantime there's a Party of Regions faction meeting going on right now and I'm sure there's a lively argument going on in that group at this point. But anyway we could land jelly side up on this one if we move fast. So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep... we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. The other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych but we probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.

Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president's national security adviser Jake] Sullivan's come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden's willing.

Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.
  • Jonathan Marcus: Overall this is a damaging episode between Washington and Moscow. Nobody really emerges with any credit. The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked.
[snip]
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What I -personally- would like to know is how much involvement the United States had in the Euromaidan massacre. An American military operative certainly appeared to be involved, but to date, I haven't been able to find out whether he was backed by an American intelligence agency. Regardless, it's clear that the Ukrainian President of the time was -not- involved, but was certainly framed. A good article on this subject can be seen here:

It's also clear that Christopher Boyenger continued to appear in news articles after that, such as this one:

Yes, because posting a big long pile of drivel means you know stuff. lol all rubbish.
 
I agree. Trump would like anything that creates the illusion of a peaceful ceasefire so his minions can nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize. It's always about Trump and his ego.

I myself think Trump will eventually lift Russian sanctions and cut off military aid to Ukraine in an attempt to coerce Ukraine into consenting to cease-fire conditions that are extremely advantageous to Putin.

Actually he will change his mind after giving Putin his chance to save face. It was your Hero Biden who reduced the sanctions, on all of the cretins, but you're clueless and don't really know what the hell is going on.
 
Says a tard with TDS who just parrots rubbish over and over, can't come up with any real facts that support its silly propaganda narratives. You ad your Russian hacks can go back to sharing porn now, you've pretty much shot your tiny wads here for the day.

Meanwhile we can laugh at how 'World Super Power Russia' has been stalled and even invaded by a country less than third of its population for years and is still struggling to take back territory from a disarmed country of volunteers. Ukraine embarrassed the hell out of your Russian heroes, and still is. lol 'super power' my ass, a degenerate failed state resorting to hostage diplomacy and nuke threats to extort the West, and failing. NATO got bigger instead of smaller, and is now more unified than before. Your dumbass gangsters in Moscow are clueless on what to do. Their Big Giant Takeover of Crimea was a disaster, it has about 30% of its previous population, and less than 30% of its former GDP. But you idiots keep cheering, it's par for you retarded deviants.
Unread.

But...you cannot even name one former president of Ukraine?

Why is that?
 
Unread.

But...you cannot even name one former president of Ukraine?

Why is that?

Because I don't need to care; the former Presidents didn't start the war, you stupid tard, Putin did. It's not about Ukraine it's about shutting down Russian imperialism, a 300 year issue for Europe and the ME. Uneducated dumbasses like yourself never bother with facts, you're just here to parrot what you're told, is all. About as relevant as naming the Mongol chieftains who took over, or the Vikings who ruled Kiev in the middle ages.
 
How many thousands of people died between the date that trump was first briefed on Covid, and the date that he stopped lying about it?
I'm not sure. I think he definitely downplayed COVID, but many people did. The idea behind the lockdown 2 weeks, was to basically resolve the issue. Lots of people got things wrong in regards to COVID.
 
trump would take any deal that stops the war, even for a month. He's dying to get a Nobel Peace Prize, which is probably the most ludicrous idea in the world.

He's walking a tightrope because Putin has trump by the balls. There won't be any peace deal. The only thing that remains to be seen is how long it takes for trump to remove all of the sanctions on Putin. He's already done away with the oversight of oligarchs that are skirting sanctions.
Just how does Putin have "Trump by the balls", Altoid???
 

The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving a scam​

The White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated.
Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.


Two rounds of peace talks in, and the basic rhythms of Putin’s unique negotiating style are becoming clear: Lie. Bomb. Lie. Bomb.

Just a day after a new supposed breakthrough this week in Riyadh on a moratorium on attacks in the Black Sea, Putin’s deadly drones once again swarmed into Kharkiv destroying apartments and stores and injuring 21 people.

After Donald Trump spoke to Vladimir Putin earlier this month, the White House claimed that “a future with an improved bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia has huge upside” and spoke of “enormous economic deals and geopolitical stability when peace has been achieved”.

Days later Kremlin representatives sat down with their US counterparts in Saudi Arabia and agreed a partial ceasefire suspending attacks on energy infrastructure. Putin claimed that he had issued orders to cancel an imminent strike. Later that very night Russian missiles rained down on Kyiv, killing a young family in their beds.

This week the pattern has repeated. Putin’s envoys claimed that a ceasefire on the Black Sea had been thrashed out that would allow free export of Russian grain and fertilisers. Another lie, or at least a distraction, because neither commodity is currently sanctioned or restricted.

What the Kremlin really wants is free passage for its oil tankers and cover for its battered Black Sea Fleet to return to its base at Sevastopol, from which it has been forced to withdraw by Ukrainian missile attacks. And even as the delegations flew home, 86 deadly Iranian-made Shahed drones were rolled out of their containers, assembled, armed and launched at Kharkiv. More than 20 made it through Ukrainian defences, bringing more fire and fury to Kharkiv’s long-suffering civilians even as Putin claimed to be talking peace.

But perhaps Trump and his billionaire oil lawyer envoy Steve Witkoff aren’t the suckers that Putin takes them for. For one, the White House’s breathless – some might say witless – optimism at the beginning of the talks has evaporated. The tone of the readout of this week’s talks in Riyadh was bone-dry: “The United States and Russia will continue working toward achieving a durable and lasting peace.”

Trump himself seems to be waking up to the realisation that the Kremlin is playing him for a fool.

"I will end the war in Ukraine on day 1" - Donald J. Trump.

Hey, he's only 60 days behind - but who's counting?
 
Time to turn the screws on the Kremlin. They may soften up some. Plus if we get the price of oil down more the Kremlin may not be able to afford to fight. If Moscow starts blowing up Putin may change his mind. We can give Ukraine longer range weapons if Putin does not come to the table.
Wow. Unless you're being sarcastic, I agree with you for once! Unfortunately, trump loves him some Putin and feels "might makes right". No way will trump get tough on Putin.
 
The Covid response did have our best interests at heart.
The Covid Hoax had only the Democrat's interested at heart. The Democrats wanted to crash the economy, since Trump was succeeding. They later used it to commit election fraud, causing the 2020 election to fault, and installed Biden as Chief Puppet.
In none of our lifetimes has there been a virus as deadly and contagious as Covid.
Covid does not kill.
Yes, people overreacted and continue to overreact, but even people like Newsom had the best interests of his state in mind.
Newsom, like all Democrats have only themselves in mind. King Newsom enjoyed lording his power over the unfortunate citizens in the SDTC.
 
Why, because it disagrees with your viewpoint? As I've said in the past, just disagreeing with a point of view does nothing to advance a discussion. You need to give reasons as to -why- you disagree for a discussion to advance.
Doing this is called an argument of the Stone...a fallacy. It's the equivalent of "Talk to the hand". It's like talking to a stone wall.
 
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