The Ukraine ‘peace deal’ is proving to be a scam

The war is easy to end. Putin can stop attacking a neighboring country. he started it. He can go home.

We can agree that Russia entered another country, but that's about where our agreement would end here. Putin was clearly provoked for around a decade when it came to Ukraine. That's how Professor John Mearsheimer could predict way back in 2015 that Ukraine would get wrecked if the U.S. continued to lead it down the primrose path. At this point, even some mainstream publications are cluing in. Here's an article on the subject from earlier this month:
 
Last I heard, Putin was still willing to let Ukraine hold on to Odessa
Worth noting, Putin tried his best to take Odesa and failed. The people of Odesa fought and kept their freedom. Russia was pushed back across the Dnieper River, and do not seem to have the military technology to cross over a well guarded river.

Russia may have made some initial attempts, but from what I've heard, the real thing is coming soon. Simplicius, a substacker with extensive knowledge of the situation in Ukraine, had this to say today in regards to Odessa:
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But getting back to Zelensky’s warnings of a coming season of offensives, an AFU Major named Valery Prozapas corroborated these views:

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Source:

=The Russian Federation plans to "occupy" Zaporizhia, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa, - Major of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valeriy Prozapas

The goal is to connect the Crimean corridor with Transnistria. The Russians are preparing bridgeheads for an offensive, the Major of the Armed Forces of Ukraine noted=


We discussed here long ago that a potential Russian plan for crossing the Dnieper could include first capturing Zaporozhye city, which would allow maintaining a secure bridgehead whether the AFU blows the main Zaporozhye bridges or not. That’s because Zaporozhye has the large Khortytsia isle which spans across the river, that would likely allow much easier pontooning and building of temporary bridge structures than elsewhere on the river.
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From the above article:
=It is indicated that Zaporozhye is needed as an outpost, capturing which it will be possible to move south, conveniently crossing the Dnieper. However, this does not mean that the enemy will be able to realize their intentions. According to the analyst, you need to be prepared for the worst and not expect a miracle. And then the invaders will not be able to achieve the desired result.=

Granted, there’s other such islets further south towards Kherson, but they’re all undeveloped and marshy, whereas Khortytsia is developed, with good infrastructural roads, etc.

Russia has recently restarted offensives in this direction, making some of the largest gains of the past weeks of any front. Using Suriyak’s map, we can see the following:
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Virtually everything above that yellow line was just captured in the past week and change. We have footage from the assault on the area indicated by the green circle above:

An interesting episode during yesterday's battle in the Orekhov tactical direction at Sherbaki.

Attacking Russian unit ran into and surprised a Ukrainian APC that didn't open fire and apparently pretended to be out of action.


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Full article:
 
Last I heard, Putin was still willing to let Ukraine hold on to... most if not all of what it still holds, but he basically said that this is a limited time offer. If Russia takes as part of its ongoing war with Ukraine before a peace agreement, they may not be willing to give it back.
Putin has made clear that he wants territorial concessions that he was unable to win in the war. He wants what he calls the four Donbas Provinces, when he has only been able to capture two thirds of them. He wants to be allowed to cross the Dnieper River unopposed, when he was unable to cross it when opposed.

And what does Ukraine get in return for surrendering all their defenses? A 30 day ceasefire followed by immediate war.

This 30 day ceasefire idea was Europe's, not Russia's. Russia wants a permanent peace. Putin may want many things, but it seems that the only hard lines he's really put out is that he's not giving back most if not all of the territory that Russia currently holds. Seeing as how Russia is gaining territory every day, I strongly believe that Ukraine's best option is to get to the negotiating sooner rather than later.
 
This 30 day ceasefire idea was Europe's, not Russia's. Russia wants a permanent peace. Putin may want many things, but it seems that the only hard lines he's really put out is that he's not giving back most if not all of the territory that Russia currently holds. Seeing as how Russia is gaining territory every day, I strongly believe that Ukraine's best option is to get to the negotiating sooner rather than later.
The 30 day ceasefire idea was MAGA, it is not going anywhere.....just one more of Trumps dumb ideas.
 
The 30 day ceasefire idea was MAGA, it is not going anywhere.....just one more of Trumps dumb ideas.
I'd heard somewhere that Europe and perhaps some of Trump's neo con partners are the ones that persuaded Trump of this option, but I can no longer find the source. In any case, I think Putin made the right call in agreeing to the idea in principle. Trump may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but any effort at diplomacy is better than yet more military escalations.
 
I'd heard somewhere that Europe and perhaps some of Trump's neo con partners are the ones that persuaded Trump of this option, but I can no longer find the source. In any case, I think Putin made the right call in agreeing to the idea in principle. Trump may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but any effort at diplomacy is better than yet more military escalations.
We lost....what losers do is admit that they lost....apologies would be helpful.

Diplomacy is what should have but did not happen over the 30 years to get us here.
 
I'd heard somewhere that Europe and perhaps some of Trump's neo con partners are the ones that persuaded Trump of this option, but I can no longer find the source. In any case, I think Putin made the right call in agreeing to the idea in principle. Trump may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but any effort at diplomacy is better than yet more military escalations.
We lost....what losers do is admit that they lost....

I'm pretty sure that Putin and Russia generally don't care if the U.S. admits that it 'lost' in Ukraine. What they care about is that their demands for a peaceful settlement are met.

apologies would be helpful.

Ageed, but who should apologize and for what is important.

Diplomacy is what should have but did not happen over the 30 years to get us here.

Sure, but in terms of a time for diplomacy since Russia's war in Ukraine started in 2022, perhaps we can agree that the following article highlights the time that continued diplomacy would have been best:

Ukraine clearly can't get quite a good deal now, but I think it's instructive to see what might have been, at least for any future wars.
 
I'm pretty sure that Putin and Russia generally don't care if the U.S. admits that it 'lost' in Ukraine. What they care about is that their demands for a peaceful settlement are met.



Ageed, but who should apologize and for what is important.



Sure, but in terms of a time for diplomacy since Russia's war in Ukraine started in 2022, perhaps we can agree that the following article highlights the time that continued diplomacy would have been best:

Ukraine clearly can't get quite a good deal now, but I think it's instructive to see what might have been, at least for any future wars.
This war is between Russia and the Imperial Empire/NATO/America....not with Ukraine.

You gotta correctly understand who the teams are.
 
I'm pretty sure that Putin and Russia generally don't care if the U.S. admits that it 'lost' in Ukraine. What they care about is that their demands for a peaceful settlement are met.
This war is between Russia and the Imperial Empire/NATO/America....not with Ukraine.
Agreed, but the battlefield is in Ukraine. In any case, it's my hope that though he's not exactly a stellar diplomat, Trump's efforts at diplomacy help finally bring the war in Ukraine to an end.
 
Agreed, but the battlefield is in Ukraine. In any case, it's my hope that though he's not exactly a stellar diplomat, Trump's efforts at diplomacy help finally bring the war in Ukraine to an end.
We need to agree to Russian terms and leave.....THAT is what losers do....It is way too late for diplomacy...That needs to happen before the war is lost.
 
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