THE "YOU DON'T LOVE THE CONSTITUTION" CRAP IN THIS FORUM!

[MAGA MAN]

It means he was one or the other...depending on which expert you rely on.

But as I said...it seems to me he was a guy who thought for himself...which would make him something disgusting to today's American conservatives.

If you have a point to make, Ooda, why not try to make it, rather than doing this running around the track crap you are trying.

Or...if you realize you cannot do that...just tell us all what in hell he has to do with what is being discussed here.

Actually, Madison is a hero to modern day conservatives, since he is considered to be the father of the Constitution.

Madison was considered a radical, a liberal, during the Revolution and up to the ratification of the Constitution. Because he sought change. After the changes that he wanted were made, he strove to maintain them in the spirit that they were intended. In other words, he was a conservative.

Which brings me to my point. The terms "liberal" and "conservative" are meaningless without historical perspective. You have ignored this perspective in your discussion.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Actually, Madison is a hero to modern day conservatives, since he is considered to be the father of the Constitution.

Madison was considered a radical, a liberal, during the Revolution and up to the ratification of the Constitution. Because he sought change. After the changes that he wanted were made, he strove to maintain them in the spirit that they were intended. In other words, he was a conservative.

Which brings me to my point. The terms "liberal" and "conservative" are meaningless without historical perspective. You have ignored this perspective in your discussion.

I said the people identified as "tories" were the conservatives of Revolutionary times.

I was correct when I said that.

The tories...the conservatives of that day...were the ones claiming we owed fealty to our liege Lord, George III. THE CONSERVATIVES were on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY.

Same thing with the CONSERVATIVES of Civil War America. The CONSERVATIVES were the ones arguing that each state should decide if slaves could be held. THE CONSERVATIVES, as usual, were on the wrong side of history.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to mention that again.

Thanking you in advance for not being smart enough to bail out of this while you are only slightly behind.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

It is what I know. I KNOW my name is not Francis.

But since you don't believe in what you say you know, Francis, then you can't know.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I know lots of things.

I guess at lots of other things.

I do not do "believing."

You seem to have a problem with that.

Perhaps it is time you considered why you have that problem.

I believe in what I know, Francis.
It's you who doesn't know what to believe.

 

[Ross Dolan]

But since you don't believe in what you say you know, Francis, then you can't know.

My name is not Francis.

I know what I know.

No "believing" necessary.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

My name is not Francis.

I know what I know.

No "believing" necessary.

But since you don't believe in what you say you know; you're just guessing, Francis.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I believe in what I know, Francis.
It's you who doesn't know what to believe.

If you want to do "believing" do it. No skin off my nose.

ME: I do not do "believing."

Sorry that upsets you so.

I mean, I get a big kick out of it...because it makes you look....well, ya know. But in a sense...I am sorry for you.

 

[Ross Dolan]

But since you don't believe in what you say you know; you're just guessing, Francis.

No, I know my name is not Francis.

I'll let you know when I am guessing...although you should be able to tell without me calling it to your attention.

When I guess...I say that I am guessing.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

If you want to do "believing" do it. No skin off my nose.

ME: I do not do "believing."

Sorry that upsets you so.

I mean, I get a big kick out of it...because it makes you look....well, ya know. But in a sense...I am sorry for you.

Since you don't believe, Francis, you therefore can't know.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

No, I know my name is not Francis.

I'll let you know when I am guessing...although you should be able to tell without me calling it to your attention.

When I guess...I say that I am guessing.

But since you don't believe in what you know, Francis, it means you're constantly guessing.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Since you don't believe, Francis, you therefore can't know.

My name is not Francis.

I know lots of things.

I do not do "believing."

Sorry that bothers you so.

Take a chill pill.

 

[Ross Dolan]

But since you don't believe in what you know, Francis, it means you're constantly guessing.

My name is not Francis.

I know my name is not Francis.

I also know I do not do "believing."

 

[USFREEDOM911]

My name is not Francis.

I know lots of things.

I do not do "believing."

Sorry that bothers you so.

Take a chill pill.

Why do you believe it bothers me, Francis?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

My name is not Francis.

I know my name is not Francis.

I also know I do not do "believing."

For you to know your name isn't "Francis", Francis, you would have to believe your name is something else.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Why do you believe it bothers me, Francis?

My name is not Francis.

I don't do "believing."

I am guessing (but almost positive) that this is bothering the crap out of you.

I just wonder why you keep begging for it.

 

[Ross Dolan]

For you to know your name isn't "Francis", Francis, you would have to believe your name is something else.

No I wouldn't.

I know my name is not Francis.

I KNOW my name is something other than Francis.

You really do have a problem with logic. Try to stay away from it.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

My name is not Francis.

I don't do "believing."

I am guessing (but almost positive) that this is bothering the crap out of you.

I just wonder why you keep begging for it.

Now-now Francis.

If you truly believed it, you won't find it necessary to say it so much.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

No I wouldn't.

I know my name is not Francis.

I KNOW my name is something other than Francis.

You really do have a problem with logic. Try to stay away from it.

You seem to be unsure, Francis; because you don't believe you are "Francis".

 

[Ross Dolan]

Now-now Francis.

My name is not Francis.

If you truly believed it, you won't find it necessary to say it so much.

But I do not do "believing."

 

[Ross Dolan]

You seem to be unsure, Francis; because you don't believe you are "Francis".

I KNOW my name is not Francis.