THE "YOU DON'T LOVE THE CONSTITUTION" CRAP IN THIS FORUM!

OODA said:
I think it's hilarious that you refuse to acknowledge that the political position of modern day conservatives is Madison's position.
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I have done no such thing.

What I am saying is that the American conservative position of today...can only appeal to people with limited brain power.

American conservatism is a cancer growing on the body politic.

It may kill us. I acknowledge that. The jerks supporting it are essentially steadying the hand of someone trying to cut their throat.
 
OODA said:
I just want to set the record straight here and remind all that it was me who coined a nickname that has become so upsetting for the old geezer here: Francis. Not only have you, my friend, glommed on but Rune, that filthy bastard and sworn enemy, has as well. :rofl2:
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My name is not Francis.

Nothing wrong with the name...but it is not mine.

I am far from being upset. I am laughing my ass off at your guys.

Three of you...sometimes four...up against ONE OLD GEEZER...ant the old geezer is making you look like a tribe of chumps.

I love this.

Haven't had this much fun since...ahhh...we'll leave that.;)
 
Frank Apisa said:
Jesus, USF...are you so hard up for a response that you would ask how I know my name?

Take a rest. You are really looking like a fool right now.

I can't enjoy this as much as usual if you are looking the fool.
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It's possible that you don't know what you think you know and you've been lied to your entire life, Francis.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I have done no such thing.

What I am saying is that the American conservative position of today...can only appeal to people with limited brain power.

American conservatism is a cancer growing on the body politic.

It may kill us. I acknowledge that. The jerks supporting it are essentially steadying the hand of someone trying to cut their throat.
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Hilarious. Even more so that you claim not to be liberal.
 
OODA said:
And to further my point, the Tories suddenly became liberals after the Revolution was won. They wanted radical change, back to British rule. And the Madison conservatives wanted to keep their victory and establish a new, limited, government. Therefore using your logic, the conservatives were on the right side of history and the liberals were on the wrong side.

Venturing back into rationality if I may, the fact is that staunch conservatives of the modern era see Madison as their hero. We all want limited federal government, and see the Constitution as the instrument that restricts that government, not restricting freedoms of the individual.

As a modern day liberal, who is your Revolutionary hero?
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Staunch conservatives like the ones we see on this forum don't know shit about Madison, who BTW was a Federalist, much less the Constitution.

That's why I continually kicked your ass on the General Welfare Clause and the best you could do was "unelected tyrants in black robes!"
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But you've posted comments and never said you were guessing; so you presented them as things you believed, Francis.
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No I did not present them as things I believe. In fact, if you would learn to read, you would notice that I mentioned that I do not do "believing."

And my name is not Francis.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
It's possible that you don't know what you think you know and you've been lied to your entire life, Francis.
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I have my birth Certificate...and my name on the Birth Certificate shows that my name is not Francis.

I do not have to do any "believing."

I am willing to accept that the birth certificate is correct.

I do not "believe" it is correct; I do not "believe" it is not correct.

I know that I accept it as correct.

See...no "believe" in there.
 
OODA said:
Hilarious. Even more so that you claim not to be liberal.
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Hey...that's great. You are enjoying this.

That's a big part of Internet activity...enjoying it.

I am enjoying doing what I am doing to you and the other two.

Three of you...and being lead around the block by what you guys deem to be a old geezer...a senile old geezer.

You guys bring enjoyment to my day. (Gonna golf today...but I'll find time to beat up on you guys.)
 
Frank Apisa said:
I have my birth Certificate...and my name on the Birth Certificate shows that my name is not Francis.

I do not have to do any "believing."

I am willing to accept that the birth certificate is correct.

I do not "believe" it is correct; I do not "believe" it is not correct.

I know that I accept it as correct.

See...no "believe" in there.
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So you believe that you could have been lied to, all these years, Francis.

Maybe it's not your birth certificate.
 
domer76 said:
Staunch conservatives like the ones we see on this forum don't know shit about Madison, who BTW was a Federalist, much less the Constitution.

That's why I continually kicked your ass on the General Welfare Clause and the best you could do was "unelected tyrants in black robes!"
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Hilarious that you still think that SCOTUS is infallible, which was the crux of our argument that you continue to claim false victory. Perhaps you can "squawk" more; ignoring reality.

To correct you on your newest claim, Madison was a Federalist, but before he founded an opposition party:

In the new, more powerful Congress, Madison and Jefferson soon found themselves disagreeing with the Federalists on key issues dealing with federal debt and power. For example, the two men favored states’ rights and opposed Federalist leader Alexander Hamilton’s (c.1755-1804) proposal for a national bank. In 1792, Jefferson and Madison founded the Democratic-Republican Party[*], which has been labeled America’s first opposition political party.
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http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/james-madison

* This content has been abbreviated. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. Six years later renamed it to the Democratic-Republican Party:

...those who favoured states’ rights and a strict interpretation of the Constitution rallied under the leadership of Thomas Jefferson, who had served as Washington’s first secretary of state. Jefferson’s supporters, deeply influenced by the ideals of the French Revolution (1789), first adopted the name Republican to emphasize their antimonarchical views. The Republicans contended that the Federalists harboured aristocratic attitudes and that their policies placed too much power in the central government and tended to benefit the affluent at the expense of the common man. Although the Federalists soon branded Jefferson’s followers “Democratic-Republicans,” attempting to link them with the excesses of the French Revolution, the Republicans officially adopted the derisive label in 1798.
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Republican-Party
 
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