THE "YOU DON'T LOVE THE CONSTITUTION" CRAP IN THIS FORUM!

[Ross Dolan]

I know, right?.....

You still show the spine of an overcooked spaghetti.

False quotes are what chumps used because they don't have anything else.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Do you have any support for the claim that "a significant minority of the people want not to be governed at all."

Yeah...look at a significant minority of almost every forum in which Libertarians or American conservatives participate.

You'll see.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Just calm down - calm down.

At your age, you really need to be careful when you make the decision to climb on top of a soap box and begin ranting.

I'm calm. Almost always. Ummm...maybe when I miss a short putt I get a bit agitated.

But in an Internet discussion...just about never.

But thank you for your concern.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I appreciate all the responses so far.

I am more convinced than ever that there is a significant minority of people out there who simply do not want to be governed at all.

I also am more convinced than ever of the necessity for governance...and probably plenty of it for reasons I'll mention in a second.

The former faction may eventually become the majority...and will probably then change their tunes. OR...we will have anarchy and chaos...which is not a good thing for a nation with the kinds of offensive weapons we possess.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

I wish I had thought of the words PMP put in my mouth

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[PostmodernProphet]

I appreciate all the responses so far.

I am more convinced than ever that there is a significant minority of people out there who simply do not want to be governed at all.

I also am more convinced than ever of the necessity for governance...and probably plenty of it for reasons I'll mention in a second.

The former faction may eventually become the majority...and will probably then change their tunes. OR...we will have anarchy and chaos...which is not a good thing for a nation with the kinds of offensive weapons we possess.

I know, right?......we only have two choices......submission to your will or anarchy......

 

[Ross Dolan]

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You have no spine or ethics, PP.

You should pity yourself as much as I pity you.

 

[Ross Dolan]

I know, right?......we only have two choices......submission to your will or anarchy......

That is not what I said or inferred...but that doesn't matter to someone like you.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I appreciate all the responses so far.
I am more convinced than ever that there is a significant minority of people out there who simply do not want to be governed at all.
I also am more convinced than ever of the necessity for governance...and probably plenty of it for reasons I'll mention in a second.
The former faction may eventually become the majority...and will probably then change their tunes. OR...we will have anarchy and chaos...which is not a good thing for a nation with the kinds of offensive weapons we possess.

I've met a few of those in my day. Lord of the Flies types. Before the planet was conquered and (mostly) civilized, those types could wander off into wilderness and forge their own paths w/o harming those who wanted to remain in civilization with all of its perks. Now there isn't any place to go unless you're content to live off-grid and off the land. There aren't many of those ppl though; the rest of the Flies fantasize and romanticize that sort of lifestyle but are too spoiled and lazy to do more than dream.

Nothing that there's anything wrong with that, said the spoiled lazy person who lives in the wilderness but on-grid. lol

 

[Ross Dolan]

I've met a few of those in my day. Lord of the Flies types. Before the planet was conquered and (mostly) civilized, those types could wander off into wilderness and forge their own paths w/o harming those who wanted to remain in civilization with all of its perks. Now there isn't any place to go unless you're content to live off-grid and off the land. There aren't many of those ppl though; the rest of the Flies fantasize and romanticize that sort of lifestyle but are too spoiled and lazy to do more than dream.

Nothing that there's anything wrong with that, said the spoiled lazy person who lives in the wilderness but on-grid. lol

You hit several nails directly on their heads here, OW.

Civilization and society demand governance...and plenty of it. There is a line to be drawn...but the people who we most recognize as the Flies types...want that line to be drawn where they get to do damn near anything they want...and the rest of society be damned.

One thing we have to recognize: They may win.

Too bad for the world if that happens.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Picture of the Alaskan Squidbilly.

How many of these awards have you won?

 

[CFM]

yeah. i remember saying that. Or you are nuts.

I'm the one that understands how the Constitution works. You don't. You want it applied to suit you. I want it applied the way it was written.

 

[CFM]

That is not what I said or inferred...but that doesn't matter to someone like you.

Sure it is. Maybe your old senile, Alzheimers ridden ass can't remember. That's why the rest of us are here, to remind you when your mind fails you.

 

[MAGA MAN]

One sees lots of variations on the theme, "You don't love (respect) the Constitution and Bill of Rights" crap here in this forum...almost always including "warnings" about the danger of "government" overreach.

Well...I personally think there is MUCH LESS DANGER from government going amok...or from our government becoming tyrannical…than there is from our citizens being unwilling to be governed.

I doubt any of us right now, except perhaps Donald Trump, wants a dictatorship; I doubt any of us, except perhaps Donald Trump, wants governmental tyranny.

But THE REAL DANGER RIGHT NOW IN AMERICA does not come from the danger of dictatorship, even with that dictator wanna-be in office...or serious governmental overreach. It comes, rather, from the fact that a significant minority of the people want not to be governed at all. They deplore government…the single most important ingredient in civilized society.

I suspect a lot of that absurdity was started during the first inaugural address by Ronald Reagan. As chief executive, he unwisely endorsed the notion of hatred of “being governed” with his (just about always, unfortunately, quoted out of context), “…government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

He was wrong…or at least, I sure as hell hope he was wrong, because if he was correct…democracy does not stand a chance of success. Democracy demands that government be a MAJOR FACTOR in the solution to problems…and there is no chance of democracy working if government truly is the problem.

And government requires that the people being governed...CONSENT TO BEING GOVERNED.

Just sayin’!

This "absurdity", Tory, was started in 1776 and codified in the Constitution itself.

 

[Ross Dolan]

This "absurdity", Tory, was started in 1776 and codified in the Constitution itself.

I imagine that remark made some sense to you.

It most assuredly did not to me...and that is not due to a deficiency in me, but due to a deficiency in your verbal skills.

If you want to try again...do it. Make some sense if you do.

 

[Boris The Animal]

You hit several nails directly on their heads here, OW.

Civilization and society demand governance...and plenty of it. There is a line to be drawn...but the people who we most recognize as the Flies types...want that line to be drawn where they get to do damn near anything they want...and the rest of society be damned.

One thing we have to recognize: They may win.

Too bad for the world if that happens.

So you, as a communist scumbag, want an all powerful overreaching nannystate government? sorry if the Founders vehemently disagreed with that, Bolshevik.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Thanks for that, Nordberg.

WE are the government.

Yeah...government CAN get out of control. But here in the United States...right now...

...I fear the government much less than I fear this "I hate government" and "I will not be governed" mentality that seems to have developed.

Government...is the vehicle that allows civilization to exist.

But getting through to some of these guys is like trying to walk through a concrete wall.

that just makes you a fool. and if WE were the government, then GOVERNMENT would have to follow the same rules and laws that WE do. go ahead, tell us that they do.

 

[Ross Dolan]

So you, as a communist scumbag, want an all powerful overreaching nannystate government? sorry if the Founders vehemently disagreed with that, Bolshevik.

You sound upset.

What is there about me speaking my mind that bothers you so?

 

[Ross Dolan]

that just makes you a fool. and if WE were the government, then GOVERNMENT would have to follow the same rules and laws that WE do. go ahead, tell us that they do.

I am NOT a fool.

WE are the government.

We (the government) make the rules.

We should all try to follow them...and most of us do.

 

[MAGA MAN]

I imagine that remark made some sense to you.

It most assuredly did not to me...and that is not due to a deficiency in me, but due to a deficiency in your verbal skills.

If you want to try again...do it. Make some sense if you do.

What don't you understand Frank? There are two types of people:

A. Modern day conservatives and libertarians. In revolutionary times these were called liberals. They seek self-governance and a weak federal government.
B. Modern day liberals and progressives. In revolutionary times these were the Tories. They seek a strong federal government with cradle-to-grave control over their lives.

Type A prevailed when the Constitution was written.