THE "YOU DON'T LOVE THE CONSTITUTION" CRAP IN THIS FORUM!

USFREEDOM911 said:
I wasn't aware that masochists laughed, while being beaten.
Thanks for clearing that up, Francis. :D
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My name is not Francis.

There is no way you are beating me up.

But thanks for the additional laughs.

Nothing like watching you guys struggle to make a hit. ;)
 
Frank Apisa said:
My name is not Francis.

There is no way you are beating me up.

But thanks for the additional laughs.

Nothing like watching you guys struggle to make a hit. ;)
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I never said that I was beating you up, Francis; even though it appears that you believed that's what I said.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But you can't know, unless you believe you know; therefore you don't even know what to believe, Francis. :D
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My name is not Francis...but if it makes you feel better about having to be you...go for it. I'll just remind you that my name is not Francis when you do.

I do not do "believing."

I am enjoying the lengths you go to in order to feel better about yourself.

Sometimes it just causes smiles...but often I laugh out loud. ;)
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I never said that I was beating you up, Francis; even though it appears that you believed that's what I said.
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I do not do "believing."

My name is not Francis.

I am enjoying the lengths you go to in order to feel better about yourself.

Sometimes it just causes smiles...but often I laugh out loud.;)
 
Frank Apisa said:
My name is not Francis...but if it makes you feel better about having to be you...go for it. I'll just remind you that my name is not Francis when you do.

I do not do "believing."

I am enjoying the lengths you go to in order to feel better about yourself.

Sometimes it just causes smiles...but often I laugh out loud. ;)
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But you can't know something, Francis, until you first believe in it.
 
Frank Apisa said:
My name is not Francis...but if you need to call me Francis in order to feel better about having to be you...go for it. I'll just keep calling attention to your mistake.

The premise of my OP is spot on...and perhaps that is what is bothering you.
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Let me ax you this question, Francis. Was James Madison a liberal, or was he a conservative? You may rely on this short summary of his political career before you answer.

In 1776, he represented Orange County at the Virginia Constitution Convention to organize a new state government no longer under British rule.

During his work in the Virginia legislature, Madison met lifelong friend Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), author of the Declaration of Independence and the third president of the United States. As a politician, Madison often fought for religious freedom, believing it was an individual’s right from birth.

In 1780, Madison became a Virginia delegate to the Continental Congress in Philadelphia. He left Congress in 1783 to return to the Virginia assembly and work on a religious freedom statute, though he would soon be called back to Congress to help create a new constitution.

FATHER OF THE CONSTITUTION
After the colonies declared independence from Britain in 1776, the Articles of Confederation were created as the first constitution of the United States. The Articles were ratified in 1781 and gave most of the power to the individual state legislatures who acted more like individual countries than a union. This structure left the national Congress weak, with no ability to properly manage federal debt or maintain a national army.

Madison, after undertaking an extensive study of other world governments, came to the conclusion that America needed a strong federal government in order to help regulate the state legislatures and create a better system for raising federal money. He felt the government should be set up with a system of checks and balances so no branch had greater power over the other. Madison also suggested that governors and judges have enhanced roles in government in order to help manage the state legislatures.

In May 1787, delegates from each state came together at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, and Madison was able to present his ideas for an effective government system in his “Virginia Plan,” which detailed a government with three branches: legislative, executive and judicial. This plan would form the basis of the U.S. Constitution. Madison took detailed notes during debates at the convention, which helped to further shape the U.S. Constitution and led to his moniker: “Father of the Constitution.” (Madison stated the Constitution was not “the off-spring of a single brain,” but instead, “the work of many heads and many hangs.”)

RATIFYING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Once the new constitution was written, it needed to be ratified by nine of the 13 states. This was not an easy process, as many states felt the Constitution gave the federal government too much power. Supporters of the Constitution were known as Federalists, while critics were called Anti-Federalists.

Madison played a strong role in the ratification process, and wrote a number of essays outlining his support for the Constitution. His writings, along with those penned by other advocates, were released anonymously under the title “The Federalist,” a series of 85 essays produced between 1787 and 1788. After extensive debate, the U.S. Constitution was signed by members of the Constitutional Convention in September 1787. The document was ratified by the states in 1788 and the new government became functional the following year.

Madison was elected to the newly formed U.S. House of Representatives, where he served from 1789 to 1797. In Congress, he worked to draft the Bill of Rights, a group of 10 amendments to the Constitution that spelled out fundamental rights (such as freedom of speech and religion) held by U.S. citizens. The Bill of Rights was ratified by the states in 1791.

NEW BEGINNINGS
In the new, more powerful Congress, Madison and Jefferson soon found themselves disagreeing with the Federalists on key issues dealing with federal debt and power. For example, the two men favored states’ rights and opposed Federalist leader Alexander Hamilton’s (c.1755-1804) proposal for a national bank. In 1792, Jefferson and Madison founded the Democratic-Republican Party, which has been labeled America’s first opposition political party. Jefferson, Madison and James Monroe (1758-1831) were the only Democratic-Republicans ever to become U.S. presidents, as the party divided into competing factions in the 1820s.
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http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/james-madison
 
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