There are too many mosques in this country

[Lao Tse]

No, I think that people have a right to believe as they will. Just as the Founders did.

You are the one who wants some sort of totalitarian solution to the religion "problem". I prefer to have the liberty to believe as I will, and to have such a freedom I will allow others the same respect.

And others already follow a religion like that. The attempt to make everybody believe that the entire religion is a "hate group" seems to have succeeded better with some than others. As I said, if you think they are suspect watch them. Otherwise there is nothing to force them to believe differently.

It's not totalitarian to prevent totalitarianism.

 

[Cancel7]

this is what Rudy has been waiting for. The cypress wing of the dems to come out in support of the enemy.
Thanks dipshit you just gave the con tools a winning hamd.

I expect AHZ to be out of his mind, but you actually think that arab-americans are "the enemy" and that their relgious freedom should be curtailed or infringed upon?


This is one of your stupidest posts Top...and there was some competition for that title.

 

[Lao Tse]

I expect AHZ to be out of his mind, but you actually think that arab-americans are "the enemy" and that their relgious freedom should be curtailed or infringed upon?


This is one of your stupidest posts Top...and there was some competition for that title.

Darla, is it really your belief that any ideology no matter how odious must accepted if you slap the Religion sticker on it?

 

[Damocles]

It's not totalitarian to prevent totalitarianism.

It is when you proscribe which religions are acceptable based on your personal belief system.

 

[Cypress]

this is what Rudy has been waiting for. The cypress wing of the dems to come out in support of the enemy.
Thanks dipshit you just gave the con tools a winning hamd.

I wasn't aware that muslim-americans were the enemy? Has a muslim-american ever perpetrated a terrorist attack on us?

 

[Lao Tse]

It is when you proscribe which religions are acceptable based on your personal belief system.

No. It's not. We as a society have social belief system of tolerance. For that system to survive it cannot tolerate intolerant theocratic systems intended to replace the public policy of tolerance. The notion that true tolerance means tolerating intolerance is intolerably idiotic.

 

[uscitizen]

Does that not make one intolerant Asshat ?

do we not tolerate Christians becuase of a handful of abortion DR killers and clinic bombers ?
do we not tolerate isolationist NRA supporters because of the unibomber ?

the fact is that most all Isalmic folks in this country are peacfully coexisting with the rest of us.

 

[Lao Tse]

Does that not make one intolerant Asshat ?

do we not tolerate Christians becuase of a handful of abortion DR killers and clinic bombers ?
do we not tolerate isolationist NRA supporters because of the unibomber ?

the fact is that most all Isalmic folks in this country are peacfully coexisting with the rest of us.

No. It doesn't. In your model intolerance always wins by abusing the concept of tolerance. The enemies of america have brainwashed you thusly. Snap out of it.

 

[Damocles]

No. It's not. We as a society have social belief system of tolerance. For that system to survive it cannot tolerate intolerant theocratic systems intended to replace the public policy of tolerance. The notion that true tolerance means tolerating intolerance is intolerably idiotic.

Rubbish. We have a society that can tolerate the KKK and the Black Panthers and several other groups. We arrest those who get out of line and otherwise allow them their "say".

 

[Lao Tse]

Rubbish. We have a society that can tolerate the KKK and the Black Panthers and several other groups. We arrest those who get out of line and otherwise allow them their "say".

Or use the fbi to destroy them all together, assasinate the leaders, etc.

Calling something a religion doesn't give it freedom from scrutiny.

Your sethianism has biased you in this matter. It relies on the same dogmatic traditions of illogic and unquestioned hierarchy.

 

[uscitizen]

Umm Asshat, we tolerate you, well mostly

 

[Damocles]

Or use the fbi to destroy them all together, assasinate the leaders, etc.

Calling something a religion doesn't give it freedom from scrutiny.

Your sethianism has biased you in this matter. It relies on the same dogmatic traditions of illogic and unquestioned hierarchy.

Once again, the KKK and the Black Panthers still exist. However attempting to use Civil Liberties violations to promote more of them is disingenuous.

What part of, "If you are suspicious then watch them." Frees them from scrutiny? You either refuse to comprehend or don't want to and pretend that the line wasn't there.

And it has nothing to do with illogic and everything to do with the fact that giving up freedom for security is never a fair trade. I prefer more freedom and a bit less security than a set of proscribed beliefs that must be adhered to or the government will come and get you.

 

[Lao Tse]

Once again, the KKK and the Black Panthers still exist. However attempting to use Civil Liberties violations to promote more of them is disingenuous.

What part of, "If you are suspicious then watch them." Frees them from scrutiny? You either refuse to comprehend or don't want to and pretend that the line wasn't there.

And it has nothing to do with illogic and everything to do with the fact that giving up freedom for security is never a fair trade. I prefer more freedom and a bit less security than a set of proscribed beliefs that must be adhered to or the government will come and get you.

It's not about that. It's about recognizing an enemy to the very freedom you claim to cherish. You refuse to comprehend that.

 

[Damocles]

It's not about that. It's about recognizing an enemy to the very freedom you claim to cherish. You refuse to comprehend that.

As I said, if you suspect then watch, don't deny them their rights in order to find 'security'. It may be that your own group will be the next target, I'll be there to protect whomever it may be. Your actions define you as an enemy, not your religion.

 

[Battleborne]

Screw infiltrating mosques. I'm not aware of one single muslim american who has ever perpetrated a terrorist attack on america.

We should be infiltrating NeoCon think tanks, and finding out which war they're going to lie us into next.

Current Death count:

Muslim Americans: Zero

American NeoCons: Half a million deaths, plus.

Right....For starters what about the 'Blind Cleric' et al charged with the first Twin-Towers attack...lefties are really funny about forgetting past events!

 

[Lao Tse]

As I said, if you suspect then watch, don't deny them their rights in order to find 'security'. It may be that your own group will be the next target, I'll be there to protect whomever it may be. Your actions define you as an enemy, not your religion.

Rights to preach overthrow of the government and substitution of their law for the constitution?

You compare them to the kkk. The kkk is labelled as a hate group, and if anyone ever stated "gee, there are too many kkk claverns" he would be given praise, instead of berated like someone who DARE criticize the xenophobic faith of islam. Allah sucks, bro. Don't taze me, bro.

 

[Damocles]

Rights to preach overthrow of the government and substitution of their law for the constitution?

You compare them to the kkk. The kkk is labelled as a hate group, and if anyone ever stated "gee, there are too many kkk claverns" he would be given praise, instead of berated like someone who DARE criticize the xenophobic faith of islam. Allah sucks, bro. Don't taze me, bro.

There have always been people who work to do that. You watch them and bust them for action, not rhetoric. You keep running into the whole, "You must do it my way, or face prison!" thing.

Yes they have a right to speak against the government of the US. It's in the First Amendment as I stated earlier.

It is totalitarian and authoritarian as well as against the constitution to make laws against certain religions.

 

[Lao Tse]

There have always been people who work to do that. You watch them and bust them for action, not rhetoric. You keep running into the whole, "You must do it my way, or face prison!" thing.

Yes they have a right to speak against the government of the US. It's in the First Amendment as I stated earlier.

Does a white supremacist group have a right to preach against the government?

 

[Damocles]

Does a white supremacist group have a right to preach against the government?

They do all the time. What is your malfunction? What part of what I have typed do you misunderstand?

I have watched video of them spitting on the flag speaking of their own nation and how the other should be ended. Yes, they have that right. They even do it in a religious context.

 

[Lao Tse]

They do all the time. What is your malfunction? What part of what I have typed do you misunderstand?

I have watched video of them spitting on the flag speaking of their own nation and how the other should be ended. Yes, they have that right. They even do it in a religious context.

Should Islam be on "the fbi hate group list" or whatever?