you did say that...right here.
On whatever the congress decides the government should be spending money for.
There Is Simply Not Enough Revenue. The Deficit Is Too Large. Debt Is Out Of Control.
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you did say that...right here.
On whatever the congress decides the government should be spending money for.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Nordberg,
And what have we needed our military for most recently? Oh yeah. Helping support border security. What did they do? provide the materials needed to gas the caravan?
And what have we needed our military for most recently? Oh yeah. Helping support border security. What did they do? provide the materials needed to gas the caravan?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Heff,
It actually worked quite well.
Up until Trump the deficit was more under control.
It actually worked quite well.
Up until Trump the deficit was more under control.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
True. Gunny2009 does appear to adhere to sound byte exaggerations created by the right wing spin machine. When he attempts to apply them here, he finds that others disagree.
It is called "hyperbole"...perhaps you have heard if it.
The point is the government is too often the solution.
These days we see those who claim to be on the "right" wanting to government to deal with the problem of Facebook or Google or Twitter
And those on the left wanting the government to deal with those that do no want to bake a cake or take a picture.
It is the reason that we have seat belt laws, helmet laws, smoking bans in private business...just to name a few
Disagreement is good...that is the whole point of being here.
Adolf_Twitler
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Up until now, America has always had the collateral to back up all of our loans and Treasury Bond sales to support our treasury.
The US treasury has always had about 20 trillion dollars in gold sitting in Fort Knox as collateral!
We have now borrowed more money, and have sold more treasury bonds than the worth of our gold!
Very dangerous position to be in considering the amount of foreign debt we have, and the amount of Treasury bonds held by foreign entities.
The US treasury has always had about 20 trillion dollars in gold sitting in Fort Knox as collateral!
We have now borrowed more money, and have sold more treasury bonds than the worth of our gold!
Very dangerous position to be in considering the amount of foreign debt we have, and the amount of Treasury bonds held by foreign entities.
We should pull all of our troops home from the Middle East and station them on the border to defend this country for a change.
You just fucking made something up again...
...and you obscured it by not identifying what the hell you are talking about.
Take a look at the two statements...and you will see they are worlds apart.
Jesus...I hope I have not been wrong in thinking you are intelligent enough for a conversation of this depth. You are making me wonder.
FOR THE RECORD; The congress can decide what the government should be spending money for.
THEY CAN DO THAT.
That IS NOT EQUAL TO ""you think that the Constitutions gives the government the power to do whatever it wants to do."
Your characterization of what I said...IT TOTAL HORSESHIT.
Now...grow the balls to acknowledge that...or continue to be a horse's ass.
Your choice.
Our currency has not been backed by gold for 47 years.
It is not dangerous in the least, the gold standard went the way of the buggy whip...once was useful and now is not.
If the congress can decide what the government should be spending money for, then there there is no limit to what the government can do, as long as congress decides they should be spending money on it
If the government can decide what the government can spend money on...WHICH IT CAN DO...
...that does not mean the government can require all males to get their cocks tattooed with an alligator head.
Get your fucking head out of your ass...and think about what you are saying.
Well, that's not really true, is it?
"President Obama had the largest deficits. By the end of his final budget, FY 2017, his deficits were $6.690 trillion. Obama took office during the Great Recession. He immediately needed to spend billions to stop it. He convinced Congress to add the $787 billion economic stimulus package to Bush’s FY 2009 budget. This added $253 billion to the FY 2009 budget. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act added another $534 billion over the rest of Obama’s terms."
https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151
"There are two ways to look at the U.S. budget deficit when determining which president has run the largest deficit. The first is to look at each president's term or terms in office, total the deficits run over the course of their four or eight years, and base your conclusions on those numbers. According to this method, Barack Obama's budget deficit was $6.69 trillion over his eight years, making him the president with the largest budget deficit. George W. Bush is second, with a deficit of $3.29 trillion over his eight years. Ronald Reagan is third at $1.412 trillion deficit in eight years, and George H.W. Bush comes in fourth with a $1.03 trillion deficit in his single term."
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/an...esidents-have-run-largest-budget-deficits.asp
According to what you said earlier, yes they could do that.
Which is why what you said was wrong. The government is limited in what it can do by the Constitution.
What about eliminate the 700 billion we spend on welfare?
Adolf_Twitler
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Tell that to Ted Fucking Cruze Captain Obvious, as I already know that and was not even implicating that we use a gold standard to back up our currency!
So don't take me out of context or change the subject.
I said, our gold on hand, is one way of securing our treasury's foreign debt!
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Gunny2009.
Good debate. Thanks for your comment.
Seat belt laws, helmet laws, and smoking bans save lives. That also happens to save us money. It costs us when productive members of society get killed. Everything we invested in them is lost. Whatever job they performed goes unperformed. Taxes they were paying no longer get paid. Survivors may go on benefits. And their family is impacted negatively. If it were not for government, FAR more Americans would be dying from unsafe products and modes of transportation. Capitalism fought most of the safety enhancements now built into cars and travel.
"The point is the government is too often the solution."
NOW we are getting down to our actual disagreement. Now that you have thankfully abandoned the exaggeration of claiming that the left thinks government should be the solution to every problem.
And this is precisely where we disagree. I see our government in a completely different light. I have known, do know, many people who work for the government. These are good people. They are serving our society, doing good things that help people. Their efforts enhance our standard of living. Government can do a lot for us. It helps our society, helps people live good long happy lives. Not everybody is a powerful capitalist. Actually, most people just want to work a job they like, collect their pay, have a nice life. Most people are not even TRYING to get super-rich. That's not the goal for most people. People want to have a nice life they enjoy. Government helps that. We've got a huge choice of services, safety enhancements, parks, libraries, possible jobs, and protections offered by our government. Government is looking out for our safety before we are even aware of a danger. And that's a good thing in this age of technology where dangers can be very hidden, or not present themselves for years or decades after exposure to a product.
We have a wonderful government! Does it have problems? Of course it does. It takes a lot of work to run a government. That work is done by humans. Humans make mistakes. Sometimes they get greedy and try to take things that don't belong to them. Sometimes they get lazy and try to hold a job without really doing the work. That happens in capitalism, too. All part of the challenge of having our big government for our big country. A small one will not serve us better.
The same way the right mischaracterizes how 'the left thinks government should try to solve all our problems' they also mischaracterize the problems which inevitably arise with a large organization like government. If government has problems we should try to solve them. The solution is not to cut it off at the knees and simply try to reduce the size. This is not a simple problem. We are a big country and we need a big government to run it. And that creates big problems that we have to deal with. Corruption, bad workers and bad ideas are all part of it. Welcome to reality. Now, let's roll up our shirt sleeves, do what we can to truly understand our issues and DEAL WITH THEM!
That doesn't mean throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Good debate. Thanks for your comment.
Seat belt laws, helmet laws, and smoking bans save lives. That also happens to save us money. It costs us when productive members of society get killed. Everything we invested in them is lost. Whatever job they performed goes unperformed. Taxes they were paying no longer get paid. Survivors may go on benefits. And their family is impacted negatively. If it were not for government, FAR more Americans would be dying from unsafe products and modes of transportation. Capitalism fought most of the safety enhancements now built into cars and travel.
"The point is the government is too often the solution."
NOW we are getting down to our actual disagreement. Now that you have thankfully abandoned the exaggeration of claiming that the left thinks government should be the solution to every problem.
And this is precisely where we disagree. I see our government in a completely different light. I have known, do know, many people who work for the government. These are good people. They are serving our society, doing good things that help people. Their efforts enhance our standard of living. Government can do a lot for us. It helps our society, helps people live good long happy lives. Not everybody is a powerful capitalist. Actually, most people just want to work a job they like, collect their pay, have a nice life. Most people are not even TRYING to get super-rich. That's not the goal for most people. People want to have a nice life they enjoy. Government helps that. We've got a huge choice of services, safety enhancements, parks, libraries, possible jobs, and protections offered by our government. Government is looking out for our safety before we are even aware of a danger. And that's a good thing in this age of technology where dangers can be very hidden, or not present themselves for years or decades after exposure to a product.
We have a wonderful government! Does it have problems? Of course it does. It takes a lot of work to run a government. That work is done by humans. Humans make mistakes. Sometimes they get greedy and try to take things that don't belong to them. Sometimes they get lazy and try to hold a job without really doing the work. That happens in capitalism, too. All part of the challenge of having our big government for our big country. A small one will not serve us better.
The same way the right mischaracterizes how 'the left thinks government should try to solve all our problems' they also mischaracterize the problems which inevitably arise with a large organization like government. If government has problems we should try to solve them. The solution is not to cut it off at the knees and simply try to reduce the size. This is not a simple problem. We are a big country and we need a big government to run it. And that creates big problems that we have to deal with. Corruption, bad workers and bad ideas are all part of it. Welcome to reality. Now, let's roll up our shirt sleeves, do what we can to truly understand our issues and DEAL WITH THEM!
That doesn't mean throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
There is NOTHING I have said that would do that.
You are being an ass...but that is to be expected.
What I said was not wrong...it was an answer to your question and was right on the mark.
Okay.
But I have not addressed that.
Wake the fuck up.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Gunny2009,
What should they do? Shoot anybody who tries to come in illegally?
Are you prepared to let Al Qaeda take over Afghanistan? I wonder if they would do a good job of keep ISIS at bay.
What should they do? Shoot anybody who tries to come in illegally?
Are you prepared to let Al Qaeda take over Afghanistan? I wonder if they would do a good job of keep ISIS at bay.