Thoughts on the Covid effect

Eagle_Eye said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
your little laundry list left out a few details...and you should pay attention to what you read.....case in point, "...President Trump's restrictions on travel from Europe didn't go into effect until mid-March, and by then the virus had already begun spreading more widely. The data show that the virus had been spreading "fairly broadly for a period of time before we started sequencing," Maurano said.

Since NYC is a major national/international tourist hubs in the USA, it unfortunately became an epicenter for Covid….hence the title. But as the saying goes, READ the FINE-Print. the article acknowledges origin...but the POINT is how it got to America, which was a route via Europe, NOT China. Dump and company screwed up with near criminal negligence and incompetence on this. Deal with it.

As to Dump, you acknowledge his duplicity, but then you try to shift major condemnation and blame to democrats and liberals in some lame attempt at comparison and lessen the fault of the Orange Oaf. You make accusations, but offer no proof regarding "lefties" doing nothing....an accusation that flies in the face of reality in lieu of daily news coverage.

Also, I would be interested in your documentation to the statement that Covid 19 was initially denied by health officials in NYC, as I may have missed that.
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It is hopeless trying explain facts to a close minded liberal but I'll try.
California's first confirmed COVID-19 case was more than a month before New York.
But by mid-March, New York surpassed California, and cases spiraled out of control.
Both states face unique challenges, and there are differences in the way each state's
leaders addressed the threat of coronavirus. Those decisions have meant the
difference between life and death. While it may be years before we know the full scope
of the virus' impact, it's clear that so far New York has paid a much higher price. Could
the outcome have been different had leaders in New York reacted more like their
counterparts in California? Here's how the coronavirus crisis unfolded in each state.
https://abc7news.com/feature/health...-to-becoming-a-new-york-level-crisis/6108354/

Lets see now NY's 1st case was a woman who traveled from Iran. ( If I'm not mistaken Iran in in the ME not Europe!) March 7 (5 days before Trump banned flights from Europe) Gov Como declared a state of emergency for New York state.

Knowing how government works 5 days is lightning fast. Sorry but you don't see the big picture only the snapshot you want to see.
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You have a serious right wing reading comprehension problem....YOUR OWN SOURCE SHOWS THAT BOTH STATES DECLARED "states of emergency" within a week of the first known cases. Essentially, your source shows similar actions within less than a week apart. Given the very different geographical situations of both states, I dare say query of the article's title is suggestively misleading at best.

You also demonstrate the typical right wing wonk's inability to think critically.....the FIRST REPORTED CASE does NOT mean that ALL THE HUNDREDS OF TOURISTS AND TRAVELERS FROM EUROPE (where the infection was well on it's way) WHO WERE CARRIERS AND FREELY ENTERING NYC FOR 2 MONTHS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR.

Got that bunky? 2 months this crap was in NYC with the majority of infected coming in from European flights....NOT from China.

Like it or not, Dump's administration dropped the ball on this one...and their added denial of their screw up wasted time and cost lives. A matter of fact, a matter of history regardless of your right wing myopia.
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Taichiliberal said:
Eagle_Eye said:
It is hopeless trying explain facts to a close minded liberal but I'll try.

You have a serious right wing reading comprehension problem....YOUR OWN SOURCE SHOWS THAT BOTH STATES DECLARED "states of emergency" within a week of the first known cases. Essentially, your source shows similar actions within less than a week apart. Given the very different geographical situations of both states, I dare say query of the article's title is suggestively misleading at best.

You also demonstrate the typical right wing wonk's inability to think critically.....the FIRST REPORTED CASE does NOT mean that ALL THE HUNDREDS OF TOURISTS AND TRAVELERS FROM EUROPE (where the infection was well on it's way) WHO WERE CARRIERS AND FREELY ENTERING NYC FOR 2 MONTHS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR.

Got that bunky? 2 months this crap was in NYC with the majority of infected coming in from European flights....NOT from China.

Like it or not, Dump's administration dropped the ball on this one...and their added denial of their screw up wasted time and cost lives. A matter of fact, a matter of history regardless of your right wing myopia.
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The European travelers had nothing to do with the West coast outbreak. Just like the travelers arriving from China had nothing to do with NYC. But if it makes you feel better thinking you're correct have a nut.
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Eagle_Eye said:
Taichiliberal said:
Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye





It is hopeless trying explain facts to a close minded liberal but I'll try.

You have a serious right wing reading comprehension problem....YOUR OWN SOURCE SHOWS THAT BOTH STATES DECLARED "states of emergency" within a week of the first known cases. Essentially, your source shows similar actions within less than a week apart. Given the very different geographical situations of both states, I dare say query of the article's title is suggestively misleading at best.

You also demonstrate the typical right wing wonk's inability to think critically.....the FIRST REPORTED CASE does NOT mean that ALL THE HUNDREDS OF TOURISTS AND TRAVELERS FROM EUROPE (where the infection was well on it's way) WHO WERE CARRIERS AND FREELY ENTERING NYC FOR 2 MONTHS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR.

Got that bunky? 2 months this crap was in NYC with the majority of infected coming in from European flights....NOT from China.

Like it or not, Dump's administration dropped the ball on this one...and their added denial of their screw up wasted time and cost lives. A matter of fact, a matter of history regardless of your right wing myopia.
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The European travelers had nothing to do with the West coast outbreak. Just like the travelers arriving from China had nothing to do with NYC. But if it makes you feel better thinking you're correct have a nut.
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Says who? Are you saying that there were NO travelers from ANY European country to the West Coast in December 2019? Or January 2020? Are you serious? None through Hawaii or California? Keep this in mind...THE FIRST DETECTED CASE DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS THE ONLY CASE IN CIRCULATION. It's like ants getting into your living space...just because you see one doesn't mean that's the ONLY one in the area. Got that now?
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Taichiliberal said:
Eagle_Eye said:
Says who? Are you saying that there were NO travelers from ANY European country to the West Coast in December 2019? Or January 2020? Are you serious? None through Hawaii or California? Keep this in mind...THE FIRST DETECTED CASE DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS THE ONLY CASE IN CIRCULATION. It's like ants getting into your living space...just because you see one doesn't mean that's the ONLY one in the area. Got that now?
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I am telling you that the first reported case of the virus in California came from China not Europe. Just like I'm telling you
Coronavirus in N.Y.: Manhattan Woman Is First Confirmed Case in State
A woman in her 30s who had traveled in Iran contracted the virus and is now isolated at home.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/nyregion/new-york-coronvirus-confirmed.html

Now those are the facts! Don't like them argue with the people who put them out dumb ass.
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Eagle_Eye said:
Nothing earth shaking here I have said the same thing since day one. The difference is I recognize his flaws but am willing to give hem credit when he is right, and he has been right on the economy till the pandemic.
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Trump was wrong on the economy. Tariffs are really stupid and almost no economists backed them. They are a tax on American consumers. The retaliation hurts American industries. It is just a stupid act by an unqualified man.
His tax cut was a gift to the wealthy and corporations. That is what all Repubs have done since Reagan. Trump actually knows close to nothing except reality TV and conning.
 
Nordberg said:
Trump was wrong on the economy. Tariffs are really stupid and almost no economists backed them. They are a tax on American consumers. The retaliation hurts American industries. It is just a stupid act by an unqualified man.
His tax cut was a gift to the wealthy and corporations. That is what all Repubs have done since Reagan. Trump actually knows close to nothing except reality TV and conning.
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Yea yea yea and the unemployment #'s and all other economic indicators say you are wrong.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
In other words Trump is responsible for the world wide pandemic because of his mishandling the response.
Hell I knew Trump welded power but I never realized he has the power of an mount Olympus God. Perfect example of the legalization of pot.
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Thanks for admitting Trump "mishandled" !
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Why do lefties like you feel compelled to play the blame game? Did Trump make mistakes, of course he did. The point I was making is you lefties sit on your ass an do nothing but whine how bad things are in the US and around the world, all because of Trump. What to get rid of Trump then give me a viable candidate to vote for. Who are you running Joe Biden one of the biggest clowns in Washington. When Trump gets re-elected you idiots will continue to sit on your asses and do nothing but fucking piss and moan.
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I will agree Biden is the worse possible candidate the Democrats could run.
To old,to much baggage.Same thing as Hillary only older and more baggage
 
cawacko said:
Wall St is doing so well because of:

1) The Fed
2) People are betting on a sharp recovery when the country does open back up
3) The top stocks, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook & Google are absolutely crushing it right now
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I can appreciate your positive and accurate comments here.

Thanks for your plug for the FRB because they deserve a lot of the credit. The FRB is one of the steadiest, most reasonable, most reliable, and most needed helping hands in the nation. They are a national treasure beyond refute. Their guidance during a crisis is unmeasurable to any other entity.

The only thing I do not agree with is the "Sharp Recovery". The economy is not a switch that can be flicked on and off. Neither is the current crisis we are in.

My feeling about the recovering of our economy goes along with George Harrison's song I Got my Mind Set On You!

I Got My Mind Set On You [George Harrison]

I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
But it's gonna take money
A whole lot of spending money
It's gonna take plenty of money
To do it right, child
It's gonna take time
A whole lot of precious time
It's gonna take patience and time, um
To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it
To do it right, child
I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
I got my mind set on you
And this time I know it's for real
The feelings that I feel
I know if I put my mind to it
I know that I really can do it
I got my mind set on you
Set on you
I got my mind set on you
Set on you
But it's gonna take money
A whole lot of spending money
It's gonna take plenty of money
To do it right, child
 
Eagle_Eye said:
You have a serious right wing reading comprehension problem....YOUR OWN SOURCE SHOWS THAT BOTH STATES DECLARED "states of emergency" within a week of the first known cases. Essentially, your source shows similar actions within less than a week apart. Given the very different geographical situations of both states, I dare say query of the article's title is suggestively misleading at best.

You also demonstrate the typical right wing wonk's inability to think critically.....the FIRST REPORTED CASE does NOT mean that ALL THE HUNDREDS OF TOURISTS AND TRAVELERS FROM EUROPE (where the infection was well on it's way) WHO WERE CARRIERS AND FREELY ENTERING NYC FOR 2 MONTHS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR.

Got that bunky? 2 months this crap was in NYC with the majority of infected coming in from European flights....NOT from China.

Like it or not, Dump's administration dropped the ball on this one...and their added denial of their screw up wasted time and cost lives. A matter of fact, a matter of history regardless of your right wing myopia.
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The European travelers had nothing to do with the West coast outbreak. Just like the travelers arriving from China had nothing to do with NYC. But if it makes you feel better thinking you're correct have a nut.
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you stupidly parrot a mantra that ignores common sense analysis based on readily available facts. That I pointed out the information from your source does not wholly support your assertions makes you look all the more insipidly stubborn and foolish. You are Dump's perfect stooge. Carry on.
 
Taichiliberal said:
you stupidly parrot a mantra that ignores common sense analysis based on readily available facts. That I pointed out the information from your source does not wholly support your assertions makes you look all the more insipidly stubborn and foolish. You are Dump's perfect stooge. Carry on.
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TRANSLATION:
"You handed my ass to me."
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Eagle_Eye said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
you stupidly parrot a mantra that ignores common sense analysis based on readily available facts. That I pointed out the information from your source does not wholly support your assertions makes you look all the more insipidly stubborn and foolish. You are Dump's perfect stooge. Carry on.
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for the rational, objective reader: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...hts-on-the-Covid-effect&p=3662937#post3662937

Eagle Eye has demonstrated the consistent failure of a right wing wonk to defend their positions without resorting to; parroting beliefs as if they were facts, stubbornly ignoring facts that contradict them, exaggerations, half truths, out of context quotes and just out right blathering nonsense. Once reduced to the level you see here, I just ignore them. They will follow me around, throwing stones in frustration. True Trump Chumps.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Yea yea yea and the unemployment #'s and all other economic indicators say you are wrong.
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20 percent is good? Trump lived off the growing economy and market that Obama left him. It took 2 years for Trump to actually do something and it was a very stupid tax cut for the wealthy. Then his tariffs wound up with him getting Chinese retaliation that crippled lots of American farmers and exporters. Then he forked over a few billion to try and keep farmers from losing farms. It did not work. Trump is a mess. He is in way over his orange head.
 
Nordberg said:
20 percent is good? Trump lived off the growing economy and market that Obama left him. It took 2 years for Trump to actually do something and it was a very stupid tax cut for the wealthy. Then his tariffs wound up with him getting Chinese retaliation that crippled lots of American farmers and exporters. Then he forked over a few billion to try and keep farmers from losing farms. It did not work. Trump is a mess. He is in way over his orange head.
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The night of Dump's inauguration, a news commentator stated that Dump may not understand that unlike his "empire", he can't declare bankruptcy with the country and start hustling anew. Man, that was near prophecy!
 
Eagle_Eye said:
In other words Trump is responsible for the world wide pandemic because of his mishandling the response.
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No, trump is responsible for mishandling the response, because he mishandled the response. It is an ipso facto thing. he is not responsible for the worldwide pandemic, but is responsible for the mishandling of the response to the worldwide pandemic.
 
Teflon Don said:
It’s called the Fed dumbass. Also the stock market discounts the future. Too complicated for you to understand
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Most of the money propping up the markets is coming from abroad, as foreign investors look for a safe harbor. There really are not safe harbors, so we are going to have to ride this out. We saw in 2013 that gold is a terrible safe harbor.

Teflon has a poor understanding of the market. The Fed is buying stocks, but only exchange traded bond funds. They are not buying stock in actual companies.
 
Walt said:
No, trump is responsible for mishandling the response, because he mishandled the response. It is an ipso facto thing. he is not responsible for the worldwide pandemic, but is responsible for the mishandling of the response to the worldwide pandemic.
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We are a nation governed by laws, and the law says that the states are responsible for public health...so you are wrong.
 
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