Time To Dump The Second Amendment?

not that I see, but i'm assuming you have a 'gotcha' moment for me, so lets see it

No "gotcha" moment. It is one of the issues in the Alito draft that overturns Roe. He specifically says the other rights (other than Roe) protected under the right to privacy are not affected by this decision. Those include parental rights about the school they will attend, consensual adult sexual activity, forced medical procedures, access to contraceptives, interracial marriage, freedom of family members to live together, etc.

Some claim our only rights are those specifically enumerated in the Constitution and others say the due process clause gives us certain liberties not expressly listed. This second interpretation gives residents more liberty from government regulation. You must side with the first group that says the only constitutional rights are those listed.
 
You just think their evil plan to take over the world should be stopped and you hate the people who support them by calling them "globalists".

many different ethnicities are involved in the world economic forum plan to take over the world.

what do you think of klaus schwab and wef?
 
many different ethnicities are involved in the world economic forum plan to take over the world.

what do you think of klaus schwab and wef?

...but you hate the Jews the most. Or is it African-Americans first on your list?

We can sling names at each other all day long but I'm the only one producing quotes proving what I write about you, Fredo.
 
Why should I convince you of anything, Matt? You're not the convincing type. LOL

Or your arguments simply aren't convincing. It's not just me you have to convince, it's everybody, dumbass.

I'd say this far your argument is fail. Do you have anything more convincing? Were you throwing blind racist accusations at people? Tsk tsk :nono:
 
Or your arguments simply aren't convincing. It's not just me you have to convince, it's everybody, dumbass.

I'd say this far your argument is fail. Do you have anything more convincing? Were you throwing blind racist accusations at people? Tsk tsk :nono:

I'm not arguing. I posted facts and a logical conclusion. You disagree. What more do you want?
 
Hello Flash,

Because we both know the Supreme Court has ruled gun ownership is an individual right and a large majority of public opinion would not favor repealing the 2nd Amendment.

It is only obsolete by your interpretation which does not conform to current law. I thought we had a "living Constitution" that changes as times change. Gay rights, search and seizure, women's rights, and many other areas are not interpreted as originally intended; yet, you want the 2nd to remain the same.

Still, you have not told us what laws could be passed if the 2nd was repealed that cannot be passed now (except for outright bans which are not politically possible). Almost every gun control proposal people want can already be implemented and have been in some states.

Is the 3rd Amendment obsolete?

If nothing is done and the slaughters of innocents continue the American public will increasingly favor repealing the 2nd. I am not in favor of this but if it comes to that or nothing I would be.

And I am not alone. There are a lot of people who have had it and would favor taking away all of the guns.

 
Hello Flash,

Agreed. That means we have no evidence that such laws have suppressed voting which was my original point.

Procuring such evidence would be an attempt to find evidence of a negative, evidence that something would have happened if a situation were different.

Similarly, since voter participation increased, it is not evidence that participation would not have been higher if it were less arduous to vote.

Has the population increased since the previous election?
 
Hello Flash,

Why don't you start a movement to repeal. A single college student is largely responsible for the ratification of the 27th Amendment.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog...-term-paper-led-to-a-constitutional-amendment

UT later changed Watson's grade for the paper. Bryan Wilson also received a low grade for a song he wrote in college that was later changed to a higher mark.

Very interesting! We truly do have a self-government. Mostly it appears hidden, but every once in a while it is revealed.

The possibility of a new Amendment repealing the 2nd is currently non-existent. It would require either 2/3 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate to approve of it, or 2/3 of the States to call for a Convention to do it, neither of which is likely as long as so many Republicans are so subservient to the NRA.

It certainly has nowhere near the chance of the 27th.

The fact that it is not currently possible does not prevent people from circulating the idea, which could lead to a different political climate in the future, one in which repeal of the 2nd would be possible.

We could vote Republicans out, change the political climate, and make it possible.
 
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"In the 18th century, requiring militia members to own their own weapons was a way of defraying costs. This is no longer necessary, as today’s guardsmen are supplied by the federal government.

Thus, the primary premise behind the writing of the Second Amendment is no longer valid. This does not, however, necessarily mean that we should eliminate it — that is a different argument entirely. It simply means that we have no choice but to admit that it was created for a reason that is no longer viable. It would be completely nonsensical to suppose that the Second Amendment protects us from the dangers of a standing army when the United States has arguably the most powerful standing army on Earth."

How the Second Amendment’s Militia Became Part of Today’s Standing Army
 
Gallup Poll (2021): 19% favor banning the possession of handguns (except for police). 80% oppose.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Hello Flash,

I would not be surprised at all if that figure is higher now.

Me too. I think at least 90% of Americans would be against gun confiscation. :flagsal:

Notice this at the bottom which is the same priority the Democratic party puts on mental health care: Would you vote for or against a law that would -- Increase government spending for mental health programs for young people?
79% vote for, 18% vote against


I'm guessing the number voting for would be higher now. Will Congress support it?
 
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"In the 18th century, requiring militia members to own their own weapons was a way of defraying costs. This is no longer necessary, as today’s guardsmen are supplied by the federal government.

Thus, the primary premise behind the writing of the Second Amendment is no longer valid. This does not, however, necessarily mean that we should eliminate it — that is a different argument entirely. It simply means that we have no choice but to admit that it was created for a reason that is no longer viable. It would be completely nonsensical to suppose that the Second Amendment protects us from the dangers of a standing army when the United States has arguably the most powerful standing army on Earth."

How the Second Amendment’s Militia Became Part of Today’s Standing Army

True. What is also true is that the right of self-defense is an unalienable right. Disarming the public is W-R-O-N-G. Promising to defend them but, instead, dominating them and not defending them is W-R-O-N-G.

The police, fire department and ambulances are over 20 minutes away from me. Why do you want to disarm me? I'm a retired Naval officer and a responsible citizen. Why do you insist I be rendered completely helpless to defend myself?
 
Hello Flash,



If nothing is done and the slaughters of innocents continue the American public will increasingly favor repealing the 2nd. I am not in favor of this but if it comes to that or nothing I would be.

And I am not alone. There are a lot of people who have had it and would favor taking away all of the guns.


Come and get 'em, you communist bitch.
 
Hello Flash,



If nothing is done and the slaughters of innocents continue the American public will increasingly favor repealing the 2nd. I am not in favor of this but if it comes to that or nothing I would be.

And I am not alone. There are a lot of people who have had it and would favor taking away all of the guns.


Come and get 'em, you communist bitch.
 
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